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ckirsch wrote:You're not making much sense, Dump.
Just let us know when your dog sails through the Invitational. I'll be the first to congratulate you.
orhunter wrote:The invite is structured much differently than local tests. Every facet of the test is being run concurrently, not one at a time. Need a crew at every location plus the behind the scenes support people. Just the acreage needed to run the field search is much greater than you may imagine. The blind retrieve requires quite a bit of water, much more than your average duck search pond. There is only one way to describe the invitational, BIG. It takes the same amount of land and number of people to run the event no matter where it’s held or the number of dogs.
ForestDump wrote:As I dig deeper into the NAVHDA world and learn about the highest level of testing this question keeps coming back to me. Does the Invitational really need to be a thing? I get that it’s the most difficult test in NAVHDA but the time, money, and travel to go to one location in America seems excessive. Not to mention giving a Champion prefix in a testing format. I can’t help but wonder if it would be more beneficial to allow the clubs to hold a VC test giving more dogs a chance to participate. At the end of the day it’s simply an evaluation that everyone can technically “win”.
Am I alone here? I get people may enjoy the exclusivity of the way it’s run now I just think it can be more average joe friendly.
GRIFF MAN wrote:If you ran a mini test and lets say SD had a test and every one new the water at SD was easier than Iowa everyone would go to run at SD to have a better chance to pass.
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ckirsch wrote:Finally, the OP's initial comments went far beyond the concerns regarding travel. The argument that a VC is not really a "champion" and "every dog can technically pass" surface here every now and then, typically from someone with no NAVHDA experience, sometimes from someone with a negative NAVHDA experience, and once in a while from field trialers who fail to see any value in a hunt test. It wold be unlikely to hear those remarks uttered by anyone familiar with the amount of time, energy, ability, and luck required to get a dog all the way through.
At the end of the day, no one is forced to participate in NAVHDA, and there are several other games available, all with their own agendas and shortcomings. Seems like it'd be easier to find one that appeals to you and jump in, rather than expend energy denigrating those that don't.
JTracyII wrote:GRIFF MAN wrote:If you ran a mini test and lets say SD had a test and every one new the water at SD was easier than Iowa everyone would go to run at SD to have a better chance to pass.
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I haven't read the entire thread, but this may not be the case if the US were split into 4 Regions (NW, NE, SW, SE), each hosting an Invitational. Any person who qualifies, no matter where they qualify, could be forced to do the invitational in the Region in which they reside. May not be feasible, but this would prevent the issue you raised. This could also be done with 2 Regions of East and West, of course.
mGRIFF MAN wrote:JTracyII wrote:GRIFF MAN wrote:If you ran a mini test and lets say SD had a test and every one new the water at SD was easier than Iowa everyone would go to run at SD to have a better chance to pass.
GriffMan
I haven't read the entire thread, but this may not be the case if the US were split into 4 Regions (NW, NE, SW, SE), each hosting an Invitational. Any person who qualifies, no matter where they qualify, could be forced to do the invitational in the Region in which they reside. May not be feasible, but this would prevent the issue you raised. This could also be done with 2 Regions of East and West, of course.
Thats not what the OP was discussing. Sure there are ways to change the invitational. The OP was discussing every local chapter could host an invitaitonal like hosting a NA or UT test. This would be a huge problem.
But getting to your idea. What if a member in western MN wanted to go to your regional invite. There is a test in SD which is a 4 hour drive but he is in the eastern region and has to go to Ohio a 20hr drive, because that is is region....hard to swallow!
There are NO perfect answers. If you want to experience a Invite test you will go anywhere to do so.
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