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JTracyII wrote:If your into saving money have you tried buying a tube of Ivermectin from your local farm store for heartworms? Anyone know if it will also protect against other types of worms?
Misskiwi67 wrote:Topical application doesn't mean free from side effects. It's your dog, if you want to experiment on them, go for it.
AlaskaMagnum wrote:Misskiwi67 wrote:Topical application doesn't mean free from side effects. It's your dog, if you want to experiment on them, go for it.
Permethrins are a derivative of the chrysanthemum. Mammals have two or three metabolic pathways to break them down. Insects don't. It's topical NOEL is over 5mg/kg. The LD50 is over 4000 mg/kg and that's an oral dose. For a reference, that would be about a teaspoon of it for every two pounds of bodyweight.
When I go to Asia I soak my clothes in it because I feel it is safer than quinone pills for malaria. I have advanced degrees in toxicology.
ryanr wrote:My dogs are just NAVHDA dogs so 80% is good enough!![]()
In all seriousness permethrin was all the rage 1 or 2 yrs ago for its ability to kill ticks fast. Now it's not good enough? And neither is the Seresto collar? The guys I hunt and train have pretty much all switched over to the Seresto for its cost and length of efficacy and some have been using it for a year and no ticks. The guys I talked with that have used the cow tag method also report finding almost no ticks, and none that are attached. I know when i soak my pant legs in permethrin I'm virtually tick free for quite a while. It's not that I didn't like the oral preventative, I did but I'm having some real tough times right now financially and literally every penny (and prayers) count. The outlook is much brighter for me 6 months from now and especially 1 year from now but right now I'm doing what I gotta do while still putting my dogs first as much as I can (every payday I buy their food first before I spend a dime on myself and though I temporarily switched from Dr. Tims to Diamond Naturals at a $35 savings, the ingredients and nutritional value is virtually the same.) So if you think I'm cheaping out on them, okay then I guess I am.
Misskiwi67 wrote:Are you really going to cheap out on your hunting buddy and use something designed for animals 10 times the size of your dogs? Too much and you risk toxicity. Too little and you are leaving them unprotected...
Misskiwi67 wrote:JTracyII wrote:If your into saving money have you tried buying a tube of Ivermectin from your local farm store for heartworms? Anyone know if it will also protect against other types of worms?
It will at higher doses. If your math is off by a decimal you will have seizures and/or coma. If your dog licks the tube in the trash, it could die. Very common cause of death in dogs that frequent horse barns and get into the trash.
Unlike the permethrin discussion, ivermectin is very effective. You just need to be VERY accurate with your math.
Misskiwi67 wrote:AlaskaMagnum wrote:Misskiwi67 wrote:Topical application doesn't mean free from side effects. It's your dog, if you want to experiment on them, go for it.
Permethrins are a derivative of the chrysanthemum. Mammals have two or three metabolic pathways to break them down. Insects don't. It's topical NOEL is over 5mg/kg. The LD50 is over 4000 mg/kg and that's an oral dose. For a reference, that would be about a teaspoon of it for every two pounds of bodyweight.
When I go to Asia I soak my clothes in it because I feel it is safer than quinone pills for malaria. I have advanced degrees in toxicology.
Tell that to the dogs with contact dermatitis.
There's a reason you soak your clothes and not your skin...
Stretch wrote:AlaskaMagnum; I was thinking the same thing.
I have an ear tag on my 13lb patterdale and he’s had one on since he was 7 months old. Boy I hope he survives he 8 years old now. Lmao
AlaskaMagnum wrote:Stretch wrote:AlaskaMagnum; I was thinking the same thing.
I have an ear tag on my 13lb patterdale and he’s had one on since he was 7 months old. Boy I hope he survives he 8 years old now. Lmao
No doubt there are better products out there, and my new puppy is and will stay on the new pills, BUT I'm a science guy and the fact is, permethrins (synthetic pyrethrins) are not very toxic to mammals. We evolved with them and metabolise them very efficiently.
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