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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby mtbirder » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:30 am

JONOV wrote:Whether or not you like the podcast, I recommend you listen to the interview with the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation president on the Hunting Dog Podcast. Its illuminating.


My dogs don't know what an e-collar is, my truck is 16 years old, I don't have a smart phone, and I don't listen to podcasts :D .
Care to give a quick synopsis of the "podcast" on here?
if not - no biggy, if so, thanks.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby AverageGuy » Tue Feb 19, 2019 5:25 pm

JONOV wrote:Whether or not you like the podcast, I recommend you listen to the interview with the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation president on the Hunting Dog Podcast. Its illuminating.


Went to the site looking for it. Looked through the descriptions and did not find a match. What's the title of the Podcast, Please? Post a Link to it?
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby Sooty42 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:34 pm

The Hunting Dog Podcast. I believe he is talking about the July 19, 2018 episode, titled- Michigan Hunting Dog Federation it’s our Fire Dept for dog owners.
https://thehuntingdogpodcast.com/episod ... ederation/

https://thehuntingdogpodcast.libsyn.com ... federation

FYI his intro to each podcast can seem long and drawn out, but other than that they are good podcasts
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby JONOV » Thu Feb 21, 2019 2:55 pm

mtbirder wrote:
JONOV wrote:Whether or not you like the podcast, I recommend you listen to the interview with the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation president on the Hunting Dog Podcast. Its illuminating.


My dogs don't know what an e-collar is, my truck is 16 years old, I don't have a smart phone, and I don't listen to podcasts :D .
Care to give a quick synopsis of the "podcast" on here?
if not - no biggy, if so, thanks.

ITs a long form interview/discussion with a lobbyist in Michigan (the guys retired, he's not a paid high dollar lobbyist) that represents the interests of dog hunters. He really knows his stuff about the Anti-groups and how they're willing to chink away at the foundations of hunting dogs a bit at a time, and things they'll try to accomplish it.

You can probably click the link provide and liste on a computer.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby mtbirder » Thu Feb 21, 2019 7:28 pm

Thanks for the reply JONOV.
However, my red flag meter popped up when I saw this - "He really knows his stuff about the Anti-groups....."
I have worked for and with hunters for over 30 years - I know a little bit about "us".
We have more to fear from our own than we do the "antis".
Not a popular popular idea and one I own no pleasure having. But it's the truth from my experience.
Added.....
Instead of just stating an unsubstantiated opinion , an example of hunters being their own worst enemy:
Regulations, made by agencies, often result from legislation, from Legislature.
Hunters often complain about either and/or both.
We are America - "government BY the people FOR the people". Sure, on forums like this, we see hunters at least speaking of participation in these processes. A miniscule portion of us hunters participate in these forums as well as very few actually participate in the legislative and rule making processes. Both of which offer the opportunity to be a part of. I have gone to hearings, wrote emails to, sent letters to Newspaper editors about, and attended public rallies pertaining to the legislative and rule-making processes.
A relatively minute number of outdoorsmen/women take this opportunity - yet a pretty good portion of them find time to complain about the system and what to does or doesn't do for us.
Montana last year sold about 130,000 resident elk licenses. There are major problems facing Montana's elk management right now. Tons of bitching and moaning about the situation. Ask the average (yes there are hunters showing up but...) hunter to get involved in the actual law and regulation making process, and the majority of answers are "no thanks". But they will give you an earful about "what they think".
Hunter apathy, ill inform(edness), and complacency is a far greater threat than those "anti" boogeymen. Hunters, as most humans, hate to look in the mirror...........



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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby ryanr » Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:34 am

Huh? What you talkin' about Willis?
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby AverageGuy » Fri Feb 22, 2019 7:56 am

mtbirder wrote:Thanks for the reply JONOV.
However, my red flag meter popped up when I saw this - "He really knows his stuff about the Anti-groups....."
I have worked for and with hunters for over 30 years - I know a little bit about "us".
We have more to fear from our own than we do the "antis".
Not a popular popular idea and one I own no pleasure having. But it's the truth from my experience.
Added.....
Instead of just stating an unsubstantiated opinion , an example of hunters being their own worst enemy:
Regulations, made by agencies, often result from legislation, from Legislature.
Hunters often complain about either and/or both.
We are America - "government BY the people FOR the people". Sure, on forums like this, we see hunters at least speaking of participation in these processes. A miniscule portion of us hunters participate in these forums as well as very few actually participate in the legislative and rule making processes. Both of which offer the opportunity to be a part of. I have gone to hearings, wrote emails to, sent letters to Newspaper editors about, and attended public rallies pertaining to the legislative and rule-making processes.
A relatively minute number of outdoorsmen/women take this opportunity - yet a pretty good portion of them find time to complain about the system and what to does or doesn't do for us.
Montana last year sold about 130,000 resident elk licenses. There are major problems facing Montana's elk management right now. Tons of bitching and moaning about the situation. Ask the average (yes there are hunters showing up but...) hunter to get involved in the actual law and regulation making process, and the majority of answers are "no thanks". But they will give you an earful about "what they think".
Hunter apathy, ill inform(edness), and complacency is a far greater threat than those "anti" boogeymen. Hunters, as most humans, hate to look in the mirror...........



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I am sure 30 years of dealing with a cross section of the public (which is what Hunters are) could make a guy weary. You sound understandably weary. Thank you for all you have done for our shared interests in the great state of MT.

The politics of Non-resident tags to hunt elk in MT ran me out of the state some time ago and New Mexico gets my money now. I wrote to the persons in your State Congress who were sponsoring the bill at that time. It fell on deaf ears and it's passage accomplished nothing that was purported to do... I feel your pain but perhaps from a different perspective.

As a landowner in my home state, I can tell you I often feel bullied by my own Fish and Game Department and Legislature. Uninformed voters are a large part of the problem is my observation. Large corporate agriculture interests succeeded in passing a Right to Farm bill which gives them Constitutional freedoms to operate large scale animal confinement operations, with those living in the area and directly affected by it have little control over them now. The propaganda used to pass the legislation mislead uninformed voters to think they were supporting small family farm operations when the opposite was the case. Again, I feel your pain...

I have done all the legislative process activities you list except for sending a letter to a newspaper editor (never going to win a debate with the guy who controls the pen). And I have worked on door to door petition campaigns, worked some booths, youth hunts, mentored new hunters and dog owners ...

I think Hunters are no different than the rest of our society. How many persons are informed much less active on any legislative issue? Most don't even vote and of those who do, their knowledge and understanding of the issues and candidates is often appalling.

People are busy with their jobs, lives, children, dogs, property, hobbies ...

Joining a group such as the Sportsman Alliance is doable for all and makes it easy to stay abreast of legislative issues and weigh on them when we need to.

I travel and hunt enough to see problems within our ranks that work against us. I see this ban has already succeeded in Vermont, saw something indicating you can no longer keep a dog outside in some areas of PA?, I listened to the podcast link posted in this thread about all the never ending attacks aimed at making our housing, training and transport of our beloved dogs impossible, I see a gun bill in Oregon which includes limiting ammo purchase to 20 rounds a month, I see BC outlawing the hunting of Grizzly Bears against all science on the subject ...

I will use my money and energy to fight those fighting to take away my lifestyle and hope others here do the same.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby JONOV » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:40 am

mtbirder wrote:Thanks for the reply JONOV.
However, my red flag meter popped up when I saw this - "He really knows his stuff about the Anti-groups....."
I have worked for and with hunters for over 30 years - I know a little bit about "us".
We have more to fear from our own than we do the "antis".
Not a popular popular idea and one I own no pleasure having. But it's the truth from my experience.
Added.....
Instead of just stating an unsubstantiated opinion , an example of hunters being their own worst enemy:
Regulations, made by agencies, often result from legislation, from Legislature.
Hunters often complain about either and/or both.
We are America - "government BY the people FOR the people". Sure, on forums like this, we see hunters at least speaking of participation in these processes. A miniscule portion of us hunters participate in these forums as well as very few actually participate in the legislative and rule making processes. Both of which offer the opportunity to be a part of. I have gone to hearings, wrote emails to, sent letters to Newspaper editors about, and attended public rallies pertaining to the legislative and rule-making processes.
A relatively minute number of outdoorsmen/women take this opportunity - yet a pretty good portion of them find time to complain about the system and what to does or doesn't do for us.
Montana last year sold about 130,000 resident elk licenses. There are major problems facing Montana's elk management right now. Tons of bitching and moaning about the situation. Ask the average (yes there are hunters showing up but...) hunter to get involved in the actual law and regulation making process, and the majority of answers are "no thanks". But they will give you an earful about "what they think".
Hunter apathy, ill inform(edness), and complacency is a far greater threat than those "anti" boogeymen. Hunters, as most humans, hate to look in the mirror...........



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Interesting. I still think you should listen to it, if you haven't.

Your premise, that we are our own worst enemy, and his knowledge of the methods/tactics etc of the HSUS etc can both be true.

I think hunters are their own worst enemy when they share a picture of their GSP killing a raccoon. That doesn't do anyone any favors. I think we're our own worst enemy when we turn on each other. In NC, some guys really hate Deer Houndsmen. Bears and WIldcats and trapping are all a lot easier to chink away at than a Lab retrieving a duck...But they could certainly find video in which it makes it look cruel and distressful towards the duck. The other thing that always comes to mind, is the duck hunting movies. I haven't seen any in 10 years, but if they're still like the Fallin Skye's movies we used to enjoy, they're little more than Avain Death Porn.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby Libertyrocks » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:35 pm

JONOV wrote:But they could certainly find video in which it makes it look cruel and distressful towards the duck. The other thing that always comes to mind, is the duck hunting movies. I haven't seen any in 10 years, but if they're still like the Fallin Skye's movies we used to enjoy, they're little more than Avain Death Porn.


JONOV, I don't disagree with you, but it still gave me a chuckle. It reminded me of a singer canceling his Jimmy Kimmel performance.

“As far as my reputation is concerned, I can’t take the risk of being on a show alongside people who, in effect, amount to animal serial killers,” “If Jimmy cannot dump ‘Duck Dynasty,’ then we must step away.”
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby AverageGuy » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:03 pm

Update. Similar bills in NM and WI. Already passed in Vermont.

https://www.sportsmensalliance.org/news ... s-sponsor/
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby Kiger2 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:37 pm

Imn case you didnt see the other post, the Bill has been rewritten to only impact coyote tournements. Hearing thurs,. Ill try and go and give a report.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby AverageGuy » Tue Feb 26, 2019 6:48 pm

Kiger, I saw you post that and was hoping to see confirmation of the same on the Sportsman Alliance update but did not. And it references the same hearing date you do. Seems odd their update still reads as though the scope is broader than your update.

Can you post your source so we can read it?
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby Kiger2 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:23 pm

AG,
You should read the whole article posted on Sportsmens alliance. They say that it has a hearing, but then they say it has lost its sponsor so it has died. what has happend is that the chair of the committee re wrote and limited to just coyote contests and now is the sponsor.

See the following Im trying to confirm, but this guy has been spot on so far. https://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?t=1581671 Read the last post.

Sportsmens alliance seems to contradict itself.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby AverageGuy » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:38 am

Kiger2, what it says is that Bill 723 is still alive, still negatively affects bird dog competitions and is headed to hearing tomorrow.

It also says a second bill 439 aimed at banning released bird hunting preserves has lost its sponsor and until/unless someone picks it up it and sponsors it, it is going nowhere at the moment.

So not the good news you reported at all. Wish it were but not the case per my read.

Draft legislation changes constantly and rapidly so perhaps the post on the other board you referenced about a possible amendment to narrow the scope of 723 will become true. But were such a bill to pass it will not be a victory for birdhunters as embolden anti-hunters will continue to work toward outlawing us all. They picked off the hounds first ...

Glad you are attending the hearing.
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Re: Oregon Senate Bills Threaten hunt test/field trials

Postby Kiger2 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:35 pm

AG,
As I reported, The sportsmens alliance was wrong.

I went to the Coyote hearing this morning. Yes, as I reported earlier it is just about coyote contests now. Very little opposition showed up for the Bill. At this point I would be shocked if it didnt pass.

Not too late to submit public comment. The way I read it it would also preclude ODFW or counties from implementing a bounty system. No one mentioned that, I will be submitting comments.

Dr. Robert Weilgus testified by phone, he also testified at the cougar hearing. His theory is that removing , cougars ,wolves, coyotes, does not reduce problems but increases them. I found issues with his cougar study just listening to him. Apparently Im not he only one See the following story on his wolf data if interested.
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdoors ... harm-good/

Most of the arguments against were based on emotion.
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