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orhunter wrote:Here in Orygun, 200/300 yards isn’t self hunting. That’s what we call a good dog. KJ would call that a boot polisher.
“Easy to train.” Maybe what you are trying to train is already built in and the dog is confused when you try to teach? But, this is internet speculation. Good dogs have a whole lot more going for them than some folks realize. This might be the best dog you ever had?
AverageGuy wrote:hunter94, When I asked where you lived I was hoping by some miracle you would be close enough to make use of my pigeons. No such luck there.
I expect using pen raised quail is contributing to your dog chasing the birds in a big way because they fly low, and go to ground in short enough distances begging a dog to chase and catch them. Strong flying homing pigeons or ferals will get up and gone and do not invite the dog to chase nearly as much and they do not fly to the ground exhausted where they can be caught.
I agree with Ryan's advice to stop the bird work until you can get some pigeons. It could be that you will need to dechase this dog and teaching the Whoa and then releasing the downwind bagged pigeons at a distance is a good way to go about it. Move closer as the dog remains steady at the initial longer distances. Again, I would not do this work until the Whoa command is trained and the dog complies in many situations away from birds first.
On the green book approach of lowering a bird in a bag in front of the dog on the training table. It is an approach some use. It would be my last resort as I fear that dogs trained that way have a real potential to loose their style when pointing birds. Others may disagree and that is fine if they do. I really like as much style and intensity in my dog's points as possible and so I present birds in a manner as close to a wild bird as possible and let the dog work the bird.
hunter94 wrote:thanks guy, i think a lot of your suggestions make sense. the pup is actually from a breeder in Orygun, so it would make sense he was bred to be a big running chuckar dog. in pheasant country where i hunt, a dog at 300 yards or more is a handicap. birds usually won't hold for the gunner to get to the dog and without a GPS you can't even find him.......grass up to your ass!
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