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Bruce Schwartz wrote:You might check out a recent thread on steadiness where lots of methods got batted around pretty well.
Densa44 wrote:I use it all the time and it is the only method that I know. I overlay the lesson with a "whoa" when she is stopped. It didn't take very long before she got the idea that whoa meant to stop.
I've seen Rick do this and it is very impressive. He never touches the dog either.
I haven't had to use the collar around hips although I know people who do.
AverageGuy wrote:I train Whoa to my puppies when they are young. I stand them up on the FF table and stack them like you would in a bench show. Start with taking my hands away. They wiggle, I set them back up. Once I can get a moment of standing still, I click and treat. Advance to being able to walk around with the puppy standing still on the table. Then I move to the ground and issue Whoa while walking at heel. Advance to being able to walk away from the puppy and around it. Using clicker/marker word and treat through the process. I will practice it whenever we go through a door, requiring the puppy to whoa and wait until I release it. I will Whoa the puppy on the tailgate after I let it out of the crate and collar it up before we go to the field for some work.
Then I move to overlaying the ecollar around the dog's neck using low level continuous stimulation which starts the moment I say Whoa and ends the moment the dog stops moving. Starts again if the dog moves before I release it. Then I overlay my pealess single blast whistle as a Whoa Que. I get to where I can stop the pup on a run in the field with the whistle que.
I do not use the Whoa around birds until after the pup's first hunting season and then I use it associated with teaching Steadiness through flush, wing and shot. I never use Whoa associated with getting the pup to point. Either the dog points and holds or the bird flies is how I work the pointing subject.
I prefer to use the ecollar stimulation que in association with a simultaneous trained command (voice, hand or whistle). Doing so allows me to use stimulation to both start and stop the dog depending on what command I am giving. I do not want my dog to only associate an ecollar stimulation as always means stop moving. This approach allows me to move the dog with low levels of stimulation while teaching FF and Blind Retrieve handling and also re-enforce a steadiness command to not move.
I want the dog to understand Generically in multiple commands/situations, adhering with whatever trained command I give is what turns off the stimulation. The faster the better.
I am uncertain how that would work if the dog has been conditioned that a silent stimulation with no other trained command que ALWAYS means stop.
This is an area where there are several methods that work and it seems everyone is an advocate of what works for them. I am no different and mine has worked well for me thus far.
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