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Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby ejm4 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:09 pm

Is it better to train the pup to recall on the whistle or the tone setting of the ecollar?
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby JONOV » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:19 pm

ejm4 wrote:Is it better to train the pup to recall on the whistle or the tone setting of the ecollar?

Why not do both? It would be easy enough, teach one, then do them in sequence.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby AverageGuy » Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:44 pm

I train the voice command first, then overlay the whistle, and then overlay the Ecollar tone last. I use the ecollar tone the most when hunting, use the voice around the house/yard and use the whistle when my dog is trying to comply with the ecollar tone in the field but does not know where I am. They all have their place and use.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby Densa44 » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:33 am

If you have or hunt with more than one dog the e-collar shines, with just a buzz I can recall the dogs individually. When I want them all I just whistle.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby GFORCE » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:34 am

I did both. Lot of guys find it rude if you are on the whistle all day long.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:35 pm

Both.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby Duckdon » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:49 pm

Can't use an e collar in most trials.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby ejm4 » Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:20 pm

Thanks -

We tried some this afternoon with the tone function of the e-collar and a hot dog. Worked well for a while, but then the newness wore off and the hot dog was no longer a reward... So I then became the chaser... :-(
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby JONOV » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:45 am

ejm4 wrote:Thanks -

We tried some this afternoon with the tone function of the e-collar and a hot dog. Worked well for a while, but then the newness wore off and the hot dog was no longer a reward... So I then became the chaser... :-(

Someone that trained a few VC shorthairs told me, "quit while your ahead." The greater point was that when we see what we want, we become like a kid with shiny new toy, we want to use it and demonstrate it over and over and over again. We'll set out to train something, struggle, make progress, see success. What we should do is praise the hell out of the dog and end the training session, or do it one more time, tops...This is doubly true with pups. The other benefit of this is that you don't become a chaser, and the dog doesn't learn that its optional.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby ejm4 » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:51 am

JONOV wrote:
ejm4 wrote:Thanks -

We tried some this afternoon with the tone function of the e-collar and a hot dog. Worked well for a while, but then the newness wore off and the hot dog was no longer a reward... So I then became the chaser... :-(

Someone that trained a few VC shorthairs told me, "quit while your ahead." The greater point was that when we see what we want, we become like a kid with shiny new toy, we want to use it and demonstrate it over and over and over again. We'll set out to train something, struggle, make progress, see success. What we should do is praise the hell out of the dog and end the training session, or do it one more time, tops...This is doubly true with pups. The other benefit of this is that you don't become a chaser, and the dog doesn't learn that its optional.




Good point... Thank you !
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby SMAbby » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:51 pm

Both. Whistle and body for test. Tone, Garmin and body for hunting. Who the hell wants to listen to someone whistling or yelling while your hunting.
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Re: Whistle or Ecollar tone / Recal

Postby Willie T » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:35 am

AverageGuy wrote:I train the voice command first, then overlay the whistle, and then overlay the Ecollar tone last. I use the ecollar tone the most when hunting, use the voice around the house/yard and use the whistle when my dog is trying to comply with the ecollar tone in the field but does not know where I am. They all have their place and use.


This is what I do. I also have a hand signal for recall and heel that I use a lot. I'm a lefty so I heel my dog on the right. A simple touch of the right thigh with my right hand will bring the dog boiling in to heel. My dog and I operate a lot in silence, with hand signals. I am convinced it re-enforces the behavior of the dog periodically keeping up with me and what I am doing. It is also very useful when your electronics crap out or you are spending time in a primitive area without electricity to charge batteries. I have hunted with guys that go into a tizzy when they are without their electronics.
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