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Fetching the right object

Postby mastercaster » Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:46 pm

Now this may be a stupid question but I started wondering if this scenario would ever pop up. My 13 month old griff has never been water fowl hunting before but I have thrown a couple of dockens out on the water while she has been watching the toss and also when she has been out of site of them because I had her in her kennel. She has been very good at swimming out to retrieve them.

Because she has never retrieved a shot duck before, I'm wondering if she will swim out to get it but possibly come back in with a decoy if she comes upon it first?? Afterall, a decoy isn't a whole lot different than the dokken she has been trained to retrieve.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:44 pm

She most certainly might. You teach them on land first to not retrieve a decoy by throwing dummies into a spread of decoys, then move to water. Nothing to it really.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby Bruce Schwartz » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:58 pm

Today I went to an HRC training day and they were throwing dead ducks for the marks and just using plastic dummies for blinds. Seems all the other dogs had no problem with either, but my dog did fine on the dead birds (and took lines and handled well for blinds) but blew on by the dummies and wouldn't pick them up. It got a laugh from everybody but it seemed to make sense to me since she hadn't ever smelled their dummies. To her they may have been just another stick on the ground. She was obviously searching for dead ducks and I'm thinking smart dog, but others may have been thinking otherwise.

It's common for a dog to not bring back a species it's never been introduced to and will for sure bring back decoys if not taught to ignore them.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby Doc E » Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:11 pm

GONEHUNTIN' wrote:She most certainly might. You teach them on land first to not retrieve a decoy by throwing dummies into a spread of decoys, then move to water. Nothing to it really.


Our dogs have been trained to ignore decoys === except when commanded to retrieve them.
Our dogs always pick our decoys up at the end of the hunt.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby LongHammer » Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:49 pm

Doc E wrote:
GONEHUNTIN' wrote:She most certainly might. You teach them on land first to not retrieve a decoy by throwing dummies into a spread of decoys, then move to water. Nothing to it really.


Our dogs have been trained to ignore decoys === except when commanded to retrieve them.
Our dogs always pick our decoys up at the end of the hunt.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby LongHammer » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:02 am

Doc E wrote:
GONEHUNTIN' wrote:She most certainly might. You teach them on land first to not retrieve a decoy by throwing dummies into a spread of decoys, then move to water. Nothing to it really.


Our dogs have been trained to ignore decoys === except when commanded to retrieve them.
Our dogs always pick our decoys up at the end of the hunt.
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I taught Otto to retrieve deeks. Hunting moving water debris will grab one once in a while and take it for a ride. Good to send the dog and save 9 bucks.

Mcaster shoot one duck and your fears will be wiped away. Or just go buy a live duck......
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby mastercaster » Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:02 am

LongHammer wrote:
Doc E wrote:
GONEHUNTIN' wrote:She most certainly might. You teach them on land first to not retrieve a decoy by throwing dummies into a spread of decoys, then move to water. Nothing to it really.


Our dogs have been trained to ignore decoys === except when commanded to retrieve them.
Our dogs always pick our decoys up at the end of the hunt.
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I taught Otto to retrieve deeks. Hunting moving water debris will grab one once in a while and take it for a ride. Good to send the dog and save 9 bucks.

Mcaster shoot one duck and your fears will be wiped away. Or just go buy a live duck......


I have a three dead ducks in the freezer a friend gave me,,,,but no decoys, only the dokken. I haven't had the dokken very long so she's alway super excited to retrieve it when I get it out. I should put a slightly thawed duck out with it to see how she responds.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby Densa44 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:13 pm

In the old days before I lived on the prairies our club used to use frozen pigeons in the water and the dogs didn't seem to mind. It was a retriever club and just so I don't hear that you can't use pigeons in the water as training birds, one of the dogs became the US Nat Champion, Mi-Chris Sailor. Those were the days.

Now I use a frozen duck and if it is not too beat up, i re-freeze it and use it another day. Here in Alberta we have lots of ducks.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:51 am

Densa44 wrote:In the old days before I lived on the prairies our club used to use frozen pigeons in the water and the dogs didn't seem to mind. It was a retriever club and just so I don't hear that you can't use pigeons in the water as training birds, one of the dogs became the US Nat Champion, Mi-Chris Sailor. Those were the days.

Now I use a frozen duck and if it is not too beat up, i re-freeze it and use it another day. Here in Alberta we have lots of ducks.
Very rare to hear that name today, NFC Mi-Chris Sailor. I had a Honcho pup with him in the background. One day at a trial they asked for a test dog for the Open. She was just starting to run Qual. She did the test and they started it. Eight dog's later no open dog had done the test so they scraped it. She was an amazing little dog.
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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby crackerd » Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:58 am

GONEHUNTIN' wrote:
Densa44 wrote:In the old days before I lived on the prairies our club used to use frozen pigeons in the water and the dogs didn't seem to mind. It was a retriever club and just so I don't hear that you can't use pigeons in the water as training birds, one of the dogs became the US Nat Champion, Mi-Chris Sailor. Those were the days.

Now I use a frozen duck and if it is not too beat up, i re-freeze it and use it another day. Here in Alberta we have lots of ducks.
Very rare to hear that name today, NFC Mi-Chris Sailor. I had a Honcho pup with him in the background. One day at a trial they asked for a test dog for the Open. She was just starting to run Qual. She did the test and they started it. Eight dog's later no open dog had done the test so they scraped it. She was an amazing little dog.


Great stuff, GH - had the same scrapping scenario once (on a cornfield land blind) with...wait for it: a toller, which one-whistled the blind, or about seven fewer whistles than the next eight dogs needed for it before the scrapping. Of course, that little red dog also had an ace up her sleeve - she'd picked up tons of snows from cornfields, and never bobbed and weaved around the stalks in getting to them.

Need to set Densa straight on pigeons as a "training bird" - au contraire to not using them, as flyers they're like retriever candy, second only to snow geese in that sense for "excitability."

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Re: Fetching the right object

Postby mastercaster » Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:14 am

Densa44 wrote:In the old days before I lived on the prairies our club used to use frozen pigeons in the water and the dogs didn't seem to mind. It was a retriever club and just so I don't hear that you can't use pigeons in the water as training birds, one of the dogs became the US Nat Champion, Mi-Chris Sailor. Those were the days.

Now I use a frozen duck and if it is not too beat up, I re-freeze it and use it another day. Here in Alberta we have lots of ducks.


Good to hear that you can use pigeons for water retrieval. Yesterday, after doing some rubber dummy work, I put a semi thawed duck and the dokken out in the field a few feet horizontally apart. Sako was very excited to go on the retrieve. When I sent her she went straight at the feathers. She does like going after the dokken, too, but not as much as the duck,,,,go figure. LOL

After a couple of trials I put them away to keep her excitement up for the next time. The ducks that I have have been frozen and thawed a number of times already. Sure wouldn't want to eat them! haha
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