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Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:10 pm

Okay, so here is my situation. I purchased a 6 month old female Brittany in January that was a outside kennel dog and had not had much work. I've done a lot of basic obedience and yard work with her and she appears to be a fairly fast learner. She was doing a lot of sight pointing on tweety birds but when I had her in the field she didn't seem to use her nose. Since I don't have access to birds and can't train on wild birds in SD until the end of July I took her to a trainer in Colorado a week ago. While the first week has gone pretty good the trainer has indicated that she just doesn't have the nose at this stage. We are hoping that with more bird contact, which she is getting on a daily basis, her nose will improve. My plan for this dog is for her to be my pheasant hunting dog and to also be a NSTRA dog. She has an excellent pedigree so I'm hoping that it's just a matter of her getting a late start. I've posted a link to her pedigree below. Anyone have any thoughts or advice on this? BTW, the trainer is an excellent trainer with a great reputation and someone I've know for 8 years.

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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby hicntry » Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:58 pm

This is my opinion only. The dog has as good a nose as it is ever going to have at 6 mo. Your "barking" up the wrong tree. There is something else that isn't connecting.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:02 pm

The trainer made the comment that she just hasn't made to the connection between her nose and her brain. It's not so much she can't smell as it is learning to use her nose and know what that nose is looking for.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby STait » Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:57 am

Puppies (mine) should have a chance to learn to "hunt" at a fairly early age (by 12 weeks or so). But, if she hasn't had that opportunity, then she is still at the same development level as a younger pup. No worries, she'll get it over time (and birds, birds, birds), if she's well bred. I start my puppies around 5-6 weeks old. You'll see which pups are developing/using that "hunt" instinct quickly (within a few days). Typically the whole litter is doing it soon enough, but they need the exposure!
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby ryanr » Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:48 pm

You haven't really explained a single scenario, you've only given us the "the trainer said this." Hard to say- desire, nose, etc.? That said STait explains it well. For my money I doubt it's nose, more likely it's drive. You or the trainer should know real soon whether the dog has prey drive that just needs to be drawn out a little more or if it just doesn't have it. If the dog gets more bird crazy after each contact then you have something. If there's no realization of intensity IMO you then have a nice pet.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:08 pm

The dog has plenty of prey drive and is bird crazy. Just isn't using her nose real well at this point. Talked to a guy today that is very familiar with her pedigree, especially the Booker T line. Booker produced several national championship. But he did say that line is slower to mature.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby ryanr » Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:20 pm

Then patient must you be.
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Re: Nose Developoment

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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby NC Quailhunter » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:03 am

Patience, Commitment and Bird Exposure. She will put it together and you will be off to the races from there.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:44 am

With the trainer she will be put on birds on a daily basis. Then when I get her back at the end of July I can train on wild birds here in South Dakota up to hunting season. So her bird exposure is going to be great in the next 6 months. Here's a pic the trainer send me the other day of Bree on point.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:44 am

duplicate post. Sorry!
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Densa44 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:20 am

I don't think that her nose is the problem either, 6 mo in a kennel would hold any dog back. I don't think the dog knows what you want her to do. Is she going to run NA? If so when she gets back home, teach her how to track. I just drip oxo chicken soup out of my stay hot coffee mug and I leave a vanilla extract scented dummy at the end of the track. Once she knows that's what you want her to do, you will see the pedigree that you paid for.

The boys are right about birds, I'd use pigeons tied to a water bottle so you get more than one use. If you aren't happy with the "drive" shoot a bird for her.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:15 am

Densa44 wrote:I don't think that her nose is the problem either, 6 mo in a kennel would hold any dog back. I don't think the dog knows what you want her to do. Is she going to run NA? If so when she gets back home, teach her how to track. I just drip oxo chicken soup out of my stay hot coffee mug and I leave a vanilla extract scented dummy at the end of the track. Once she knows that's what you want her to do, you will see the pedigree that you paid for.

The boys are right about birds, I'd use pigeons tied to a water bottle so you get more than one use. If you aren't happy with the "drive" shoot a bird for her.


I have never run a NA with any of my Brittanys but I suppose it's something I could consider. I do plan to run her in NSTRA trials.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby KJ » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:00 pm

If your trainer is a well-respected trainer that you have had good luck with, then I would surely trust their opinion more than any of ours. Trainers get dogs all the time that have been stuffed in a kennel for the first 6 months so, it is not like they haven't had dogs with similar backgrounds. And no matter how great the pedigree, it is never a guarantee of genetics.

I am not suggesting that you write her off, but I do suspect that there is a lot of truth to what your trainer is seeing. Given your dog's age, I would at least give the dog this coming hunting season to see if that improves the situation. Get her on a bunch of birds and see if that wakes up her senses.

It does remind me of an old story about a field trial pointer that was incredible in all areas except nose. The guy sold it. The new owner had the dog in the vet for another reason when the vet noticed that the dog had blocked sinuses (from a foregn body?), or something like that. They got it cleared up, the dog's nose came back, and it went on to do a lot of winning. I have also heard of a fungus in the midwest that can can ruin a dog's nose for a while. I guess it can pop up pop up with the right combo of heat and rain on a freshly cut hay field. This happened to a few NAVHDA guys I know last year. They said that all dogs that were ran in that field that day lost their noses for a couple months - this was about 7 dogs of different ages and breeds.

Just some things to think about.
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Re: Nose Developoment

Postby Dakotazeb » Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:19 pm

Thanks everyone for your input. I'm confident she will figure it out, especially with the work of my trainer. I'll know a lot more by the end of this fall's hunting season.

The problem is that I've been spoiled. My last Brittany, Elle, was just a natural at everything and required virtually no training. She was a tremendous bird dog and a NSTRA Champion without any formal training. I had to put her down last November at 8 years of age due to a cancerous mass on her spine. Still trying to recover from that. :(
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