madduckdog wrote:there are a lot of experts... but I will tell you what I have found out is true .....some dogs have a tendency to be hard mouth... even after force fetch... or maybe no one has explained how hold goes into don't be so rough on the bird with out some mistakes... doves and woodcock can still get roughed up by my 2 year old DD
alot of DD will be very rough on a live bird untill he is not a live bird no more.
All dogs are that way to some degree. The start of force fetch is where to determine the mind set of the dog.
I had one dog would barely hold the object like it was 'bad news'
When the dog was done , wonderful retriever as well as holder.
Throughout the years training with objects in force fetch , I try not to wonder far from what has worked.
But 2 years ago I came up with another 'go to' item I created.
I cut the ends off of a rubber bumper , and ran a dowl through it, and added blocks.
The dog I was training liked holding these rubber bumpers , but not wood. The incorporation was great dog picked off table like a real trooper.
My invisionment was to increase size of blocks to make heavier , but the dog eventually picked up anything so my wooden bar-bells came back into play.