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HERE training?

Postby SERE Nate » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:32 pm

I have seen reference to the HERE method of training but can't find anything specific. I tried to search but it wouldn't due to HERE being a common word.

Getting a new pup and want to focus on whoa and come to start with. Any good articles or youtube videos that are recommended?
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Re: HERE training?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:45 pm

Come and here are the same commands. Most people prefer HERE but there's really no difference.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby SERE Nate » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:53 pm

Any issue with here and heal sounding so close to each other?
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Re: HERE training?

Postby AverageGuy » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:55 pm

A whole lot of folks get by with those commands with no issue, but it is the reason I use "Come" instead of "Here". The Perfect Start DVD gives excellent instruction on teaching the command and then overlaying the ecollar.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:22 pm

SERE Nate wrote:Any issue with here and heal sounding so close to each other?


None what so ever. I have trained hundreds of retrievers using here. Every Pro I've been around used HERE. Now, when you think about it, the two commands, HERE and HEEL accomplish the same basic task.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby Doc E » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:55 pm

"HERE" can be heard at a farther distance and has a more commanding sound to it than "Come".
My wife is Korean, and even with her accent, the dogs have no problem differentiating between Here and Heal.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby Kiger2 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:36 pm

I break it downs to what the words mean to us and then teach them to the dog.

Heel. Means come to come to heel, no exceptions. Because when I need the dog to be at heel, I need him to be at heel.

Here, means come back to where I am or am hunting.

"hey", "wait up", when i just want to get their attention.

You cant use "here" when you want the dog to heel .

Doesn't matter what the command is, but you need to have a definitive command for "heel", versus "here".
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Re: HERE training?

Postby hicntry » Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:50 am

I say COME HERE. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Got it all covered. When he still blows me off, I quietly say "You SOB...get over here". That works every time .
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Re: HERE training?

Postby 3drahthaars » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:29 pm

I wouldn't get too wrapped around the axel about it...

... the dog has to be HERE to heel, eh?

Once he's close enough to heel he's close enough to tell the difference between the two words if you can.

The dog that confuses the two commands is hard of hearing, lacks intelligence, or is blowing you off.

FWIW I use "here" for recall and "fuβ" German for foot (heel is "follow by foot", it's their command to heel. It's not to be German or cool. It's because it has a soft sound that doesn't carry when we're stalking or heeling under evaluation. I figure a dog that close doesn't need to be shouted at. Talk softly and carry a switch...

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Re: HERE training?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:55 pm

Kiger2 wrote:
You cant use "here" when you want the dog to heel .


But you can use heel when you want the dog "here".
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Re: HERE training?

Postby hicntry » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:26 pm

Ahh, heel is a whole different bag of tricks. I don't say anything to the dog. I just slip the choker he was trained to heel with and he just falls into place. The leash is optional depending on roads.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:22 pm

What I'm saying HC is that, yes, they are different commands and the dog should respond to each in a slightly different manor. If the dog is 100 yards away and you yell heel, the dog will come to your side, heel, turn and sit then walk at your side, head even with the knee. When I command HERE, the dog comes to me and usually comes to HEEL though I don't demand it unless I then issue the second command HEEL.The OP was concerned that the dog might confuse the two and my stand is, it doesn't matter. If the dog comes to heel when you command HERE, it usually doesn't matter. If you command HERE and the dog approaches and comes to you, he has completed the command.

My point to the other person is that the commands both start with H, it really doesn't matter which one the dog initially performs because either command brings the dog to you. At that point, he can be taught to heel or if you're handling him, stopped and cast. Doesn't matter. The result of either command is the same until the dog gets close to you. That's the way I see it and that's the way I teach it.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby Kiger2 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:30 pm

GH, I dhoudnt use "heel" when I just need the dog to return to my area, is getting out area he should be hunting. More of a change of direction. I don't use here to get a complete return. The dog should only heel when told to heel, but should heel completely every time.

Yes its easy for the dog to learn the difference.

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"heel" is used to get the dog close enough to put the leash on. Whether you use a leash or not.
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Re: HERE training?

Postby hicntry » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:14 pm

But I don't need the dog in a heel to put a leash on him. To put a leash on I just tell him "come here"
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Re: HERE training?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:40 pm

We use HERE differently. When I command a dog HERE I DO expect him to come all the way to me unless I stop him but not to heel, though most of the time they do willingly and I certainly do not discourage that.
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