Armbruster Roll Call!!

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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby CohanseyDD » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:31 pm

They can and you could do the VGP prior to the HZP if that's how the schedule worked out.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby randomnut » Mon Mar 28, 2016 1:38 pm

Wow. Thanks for the info.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby California Versatile » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:26 pm

CohanseyDD wrote:California Versatile,
A lot depends on the mental stability of the dog, but if you start out training for the VGP from the beginning...it really isn't much more work than preparing for the HZP. Doing them the same year also involves one less year of training. I did an HZP/VGP the same weekend and will never do that again, but I'm going into every new dog as if I'm doing VGP in the HZP year. It's the most common way of training in Germany and they have a lot of success...even with very young pups.


Interesting. If the next puppy has the mental make up, I'll try it.

I think the mistake that I made with this current puppy is that I took a puppy with a very high natural prey drive and, instead of putting brakes on him, I put him on too many chases.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby AverageGuy » Mon Mar 28, 2016 9:29 pm

CV, is it interfering with his pointing?
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby California Versatile » Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:02 pm

AverageGuy wrote:CV, is it interfering with his pointing?


He was definitely a very reluctant pointer at first. It took several months of wild bird work, lots of killed launcher pigeons, and a hunting season to get him staunch.

However, what I meant is that a took a dog with incredible drive and no off switch then added gasoline and a match. It became tough to teach him anything new unless you wore him out first and the anticipation of getting run every day got him even more worked up.

He's been fantastic for the last several months but still has a mega high prey drive.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby 3drahthaars » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:43 pm

randomnut wrote:Are you saying the HZP and VGP can be done in the same year?


Yes, they can and as pointed out it is common in Germany... my pup's dam did VJP, HZP (6place at Hegewald), Btr and VGP in the same year. To the German's point, they might need a dog that has tested with a VGP (bloodtrack) in order to qualify for a lease. However, I think this more so just a trend for the more competitive handlers and kennels. Some of those dogs never hunt again (if they ever were hunted to begin with), because they are too valuable as studs.

There has been some discussion by I believe Jorg Tabel that pups should be VGP'd at later dates to allow them to mature. And, from my own experience my first DD matured a lot in the 3-4 year old time period before VGP to where there really wasn't any "training" just extensions of hunting experience and real blood tracks and retrieves.

Temperament is another consideration... sometimes the steadiness training causes younger pups to lose their style on pointing and/or start blinking. Because, now pointing is an OB thing and the pressure for steadiness distracts them. I've seen it on more than one occasion. And, this could/should influence a HZP score when you see a pup basically "standing" game vs. POINTING. And, to that point watch some younger VGP dogs work with tucked tails and such. Yes, they pass. But, where's the spirit, the Arbeitsfreude?

I know that I saw my current dog blossom during her 3rd season and again this past year... following Tabel's suggestion I may VGP this year and my pup will probably enjoy it as much as I... this is supposed to be something we enjoy, isn't it? Both dog and hunter...

With that... apologies for hijacking the Armbruster thread...

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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Whiskers » Fri May 20, 2016 7:21 am

Seriously considering it after my boy put up a good score this last weekend. 1/4 of the way through FF, and he's very driven, but has manners on game too.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Misskiwi67 » Sat May 21, 2016 10:52 am

Do it!! We are at the same point in our training, and my pup tested weeks ago.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:48 pm

Two weeks out!! Who's going to be there?
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby woodboro » Sat Oct 08, 2016 5:40 pm

Any news who won ???
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby huntinmo » Sat Oct 08, 2016 10:31 pm

Could have been any of many very talented dogs that participated, but the highest scoring was Yogi II vom Jadgkoenig from Heartland Chapter with 12's in nose and duck search! Congratulations to all that participated!! =D>
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Misskiwi67 » Sun Oct 09, 2016 8:29 am

My girl came into heat the week prior and was mediocre in the water, but cranked out straight 11s in field. We ended up 15th with a 189.
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Deuce » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:22 am

Nice work! Well done!
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby woodboro » Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:12 pm

Anyone see the placing of the 2016 test ??
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Re: Armbruster Roll Call!!

Postby Misskiwi67 » Mon Oct 31, 2016 9:06 am

woodboro wrote:Anyone see the placing of the 2016 test ??


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