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KJ wrote:Forest,
If your primary goal in completing the test is marketability to the general public, NAVHDA wins, hands-down. However, if you are trying to appeal to the GWP breeders in the the northwest that are more heavily focused on breeding VERSATILE HUNTING DOGS, then most of us are certainly familiar with the VHDF, and if fact prefer it when evaluating the dog for its breeding value. If I can't watch the performance with my own eyes, I really can't trust what a '4' search, duck search, etc. looks like. But if a dog gets an '11' in a VHDF test, I know it took something special to convince the judges that the dog deserved a score above a 10.
The VHDF test does tell you more about the dog than a NAVHDA test, but NAVHDA is more widely accepted and known. I test in both for exactly those reasons.
Where did you get your GWP and what have you done with him so far?
Don wrote:You want to "put another title" on your dog to increase his credentials and marketable value. Why should any organization allow you to do that without reaping some of the benefits? You are using their credibility as a testing organization to promote your dog. Fair is fair.
bwjohn wrote:do clubs get anything in return from a membership fee? I thought it was or is a national membership fee? I couldn't imagine the AKC returning any money to clubs for FT/HT or any events.
does NAVHDA?
3drahthaars wrote:I think that the whole purpose of the “testing system” has eroded since its foundation in the 19th century…
The reason for testing isn’t to determine the “best”; it is to determine “trends”. And, for that there needs to be some sort of registry to maintain and massage the data into digestible bites.
The concept of champions was something Bodo tried to avoid when the Invitational concept was proposed. He knew it defeated the purpose of the system.
The JGHV is no different… members chase those high scoring dogs as the great hopes to the breed. And, we see the flavor of the month breedings piling up each year… then, keep quiet about the tooth problems, etc. after the 14 or so litters have finally been tested after they hit the ground.
The reality is that test results should mainly indicate the success (or failure) of the breedings through a statistical comparison of offspring of common parents. Those superstars are “Jack S$!#” unless they have siblings or half-siblings that exhibit similar traits, otherwise they are simply flashes in the pan.
If you look back far enough, you will see that some pretty average dogs produced some very nice offspring (CONSISTENTLY)… Hence, the true purpose and implementation of the system.
Call it NAVHDA, JGHV, VHDF, or whatever… it can be valuable. But, it is only as useful as those who implement it.
Regards,
3ds
ForestDump wrote:bwjohn wrote:do clubs get anything in return from a membership fee? I thought it was or is a national membership fee? I couldn't imagine the AKC returning any money to clubs for FT/HT or any events.
does NAVHDA?
AKC doesn’t return any money to clubs but the fee a club has to pay to make it an AKC sanctioned event isn’t much. A large chunk comes from paying judges, buying birds at $10-14 a head, housing birds, securing grounds, renting ports potty’s, trashcans, etc. After all that it’s hard for clubs to make money let alone break even from entry fees. It’s a collective effort of volunteers that make any of this dog game stuff happen.
Also another thing I didn’t really take into account at first is that with the AKC you’re going to spend $3-400 on a SH or MH Hunt Test title because of the multiple legs you are required to complete vs a UT pass which is going to cost $285-300 if you include the yearly membership, dog registration, and local club membership. So they’re all comparable when you start counting pennies.
a single NAVHDA test
Urban_Redneck wrote:a single NAVHDA test
and those results are recorded on the NAVHDA pedigree database. That seems to be the rub with some folk
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