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Should I get a second dog?

Postby mgrucker » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:03 am

We have an almost 4 year old male pudelpointer currently and are wondering about the pros and cons of getting a second pudelpointer. Our current dog is extremely high energy so one reason is to have another dog to play with since I tire out long before he does. He is also extremely needy and always wants constant attention or to be physically touching you somehow, I'm not sure of the cause of this but suspect it's due to the time we are away at work and he's alone. He is not neutered and, although this might be a whole different discussion, I don't plan on neutering him because at this point I'm afraid of any changes that would cause; we like him the way he is.

If I was to get a second dog would I want another male or a spayed female? My family has always had single male dogs do I don't have any experience here.

When we picked our current dog from the litter he was one they predicted to be a bolder hard driving dog and they were right. Would we want to match that or pick one that seems to be more laid back?

What else should I consider? Does anybody have any good or bad experiences like this to share?
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby GONEHUNTIN' » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:24 am

First, do you NEED a second dog. Do you hunt him enough to wear him out where a 2nd one is required?

High energy is simply a lack of obedience. I have, for 50 years, had field trial dog's in the house without a problem.

Wanting to be with you constantly is one of the highly desirable traits the German dog's posess. Encourage it.

Two dog's, neutered or not, can mean real trouble in the house. If you don't train a lot and aren't willing to, I'd stick with one dog.

Remember, two dog's means half the work the one you have now will be getting.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby orhunter » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:00 am

I wouldn't do it.

I dunno if I'd call him, needy. Maybe the dog trained you for this behavior because you react to him just the way he wants you to? The dog being alone a lot doesn't help. I'd recommend that when you arrive home from work, you give the dog ten or fifteen minutes of your undivided attention. Rolling around on the floor together, playing, head rubs, talking to each other, then go about your business. Make it a routine. If the dog knows what he's going to get and what he isn't, his behavior may change.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:29 am

I am contemplating the same question. GH's last point about half the work is foremost on my mind.

I know some do it but I have zero interest in handling two dogs while hunting doves and waterfowl. I hunt public land and move alot of gear farther than I would choose if I had an alternative, hunt my dog off a marsh platform I have to carry/drag/float in a sled into the marsh (along with gun, shells, decoys, mojo, stool, snacks/water) - me beside my dog on a stool in water/natural cover and full camo, trying to hide from wary eyes of fully educated stale public WMA circling ducks, or a pit in back of my layout boat, or beside me in a dog blind on a mound in the marsh, or a pit blind after traveling down small boat lanes in a marsh, in a small 14ft jon boat overflowing with gear, makeshift natural cover blind on the bank of a public lake/pond/river ...

There is not room/equipment to easily hunt 2 dogs on those types of hunts and two adds nothing to our overall effectiveness. Likely the opposite. So one dog would be left at home on those hunts.

Alot of my upland hunts would benefit from 2 dogs either hunted together or platooned depending on what I am hunting, where, temperatures, terrain.

So as I contemplate the issue, I am pondering getting an upland specialist instead of a VDog that I cannot do justice to. Pondering an English Pointer or if not that a strain of GSP that runs medium to big and handles heat well. Many of my upland hunts involve big country and higher temperatures past the morning hours. Hunting my black, thick skinned/coated GWP in the cool morning and having another dog to put down as the heat rises would be nice on our road trips. Or having two dogs down at the same time each finding their own share of birds in big and new country is also nice.

That assumes upland bird numbers and opportunities into the future are sufficient to warrant the effort. I have concerns in that area whereas my ability to hunt whitetail deer, turkey and fur on my own land is mostly assured for the moment. So adding another dog with a moral obligation to get the dog into game on a regular basis, is a key consideration for me.

I might just get a mutt for company to my GWP.

I have no idea how my comments may intersect with your situation or not, but shared them in case they give you something to consider.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby mgrucker » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:39 am

Thanks for the replies so far guys.

I don't NEED a second dog. I hunt about 20 days a year with my current dog but, if I had a second one, don't plan on hunting them separately. Maybe a few late season hunts if a second dog happened to have a thicker coat and wasn't at risk of frostbitten hardware :lol: That's not the reason though.

I'm also not really trying to change my current dog, rereading it sounds like I'm unhappy with his current behavior, but was pointing out things that I'm wondering if it mean he'd be happier with another dog. I have no problem with him always being around me. I know that a lot of the times it's because he wants to play but I simply can't spend my whole night after work until bed doing that. We often watch my parents dog and when together they independently play constantly. That alone makes me think he'd like another dog but the longest we have ever had them both is about 8 days, I don't know what the long term implications are.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:54 am

I had to put my 14 year old GWP down this summer. My pup was raised with him and grieved as bad or worse than the Wife and I did. He very clearly misses his playmate and is just now eating normal again, so I have the similar thought around another dog for him to burn off some energy and keep company with.

Since you asked - in my mind 20 days a year hunting does not support two Vdogs.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby ryanr » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:21 am

I am actually currently going through this. Back in mid-August I brought home my new 8wk old female GWP. I already have a 5yr old male Drahthaar, who is much like you describe your PP. The puppy still has lots of energy but is calmer and more cooperative than my DD was at that age and even now. They "get along" for the most part and i think it will be even better as she gets older but I'll be honest there a number of times right now where the two of them together in the house are a PIA, all they want to do is wrestle and chase each other. Weekdays are tougher because I work so I only get to run them quickly after work, 45 minutes to maybe an hour (which will get shorter as it continues to get darker earlier). On weekends I was running them 2-3 times a day about an hour each time but our morning run was often 2-3 hour hikes thru the woods or fields, fun exposure & exploration stuff. Now that hunting season is here we hunt all day Saturday, I rotate them (Hunting my older dog and carrying the blank gun right now for the pup- that will likely change this weekend or next and I'll carry the 20g for her too.) I don't plan to hunt them together, at least not this year- young dogs benefit more from being hunted solo.) On Sunday, depending upon my household chores I run them at least twice, perhaps a third time. They actually go settle down and in their crates each night by 8pm- which is what I need right now LOL! My older dog has always been ready to go to bed as soon as darkness falls.

IMO having two active dogs, one being a puppy is A LOT of work and there are definitely some moments of frustration and chaos but I think we're doing alright (I'm single so it's just me handling everything.) I think as we move forward it's going to continue to get a bit easier too as the pup matures.

There are mornings however where I can't wait to get to work just for some peace & quiet, lol. Recently I joked to a co-worker that I love my dogs, separately but together sometimes I hate them.

At some point, after my older dog retires at least, I actually want to add a Beagle for rabbit hunting.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby ForestDump » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:26 am

You don't need another dog but more dogs is always cool.

If you get another get one because you want one not for a playmate for your dog. Your dog doesn't need another playmate and most cases could care less. You're going to be working, training, exercising two dogs so thats always something to consider.

You're also in a great time window for a puppy. 4-6 years old is often a great age to get a pup, you should have a trained, seasoned dog in its prime. You will have some solid years to hunt them together and when the older dog gets up in age won't be stuck with a dog too old to hunt and a pup too young to hunt.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:19 pm

ForestDump wrote:You don't need another dog but more dogs is always cool.


Completely disagree. Getting a high powered Vdog such as a PP and not utilizing it to its full potential is not cool at all in my world.

I once had an excellent Coonhound at the same time I had an excellent Upland dog and an Excellent Vdog, while working full time. Never again do I want the pressure of having to train, exercise and hunt more dogs than I can do justice to and that is my advice to others.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby ForestDump » Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:46 pm

AverageGuy wrote:
ForestDump wrote:You don't need another dog but more dogs is always cool.


Completely disagree. Getting a high powered Vdog such as a PP and not utilizing it to its full potential is not cool at all in my world.

I once had an excellent Coonhound at the same time I had an excellent Upland dog and an Excellent Vdog, while working full time. Never again do I want the pressure of having to train, exercise and hunt more dogs than I can do justice to and that is my advice to others.


Lord you people like to argue. Dogs are cool. Overburdening yourself needlessly is not cool. Getting things you want but don't need as long as you are responsible is fine.

Having one high powered dog and not using it is not ideal but thats not what I said. Dogs are fun to have if you can't properly take care of them then obviously don't get one but not needing another dog and not being able to properly care for another dog is not the same thing. Very few people need more than one dog.

If your dog is happy, working, and you're comfortable with the added responsibility then go for it. If you're collecting more dogs than you can handle then, of course, don't do that. Don't worry about utilizing a dog to its full potential, how many people honestly do that. There are dogs out there dodging bullets and sniffing out bombs. We're just teaching these things to woah and pick up stuff.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:08 pm

There is information in the thread you seem to be ignoring. The already existing PP is hunted 20 days a year. That does not scream get another one. In my view it points to the opposite.

You can type breezy statements as though it does not matter, and I can type posts telling you I disagree.The potential dog at stake is the reason why. If you are not going to utilize a Vdog for its intended purposes then either do not acquire it or rescue a dog at the pound.

OP would do well to pay attention to ryanr's post. Done right the work is overwhelming at times. Proceed with caution and much forethought. I am.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby Misskiwi67 » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:47 pm

Two dogs is double the fun and double the trouble.

Mine do a VERY good job of wearing each other out. I throw them outside when they get antsy and they chase each other in figure 8s to blow off steam. This is exercise and does NOT reduce their need to be near you. Now you have two dogs that want to be touching you. A solid down stay to getboth out of your bubble iscritical.

We love having two dogs for upland, but it does create trouble for waterfowl where we leave one dog at home more often than not. If you don't hunt enough to utilize both dogs, a playful shelter mutt would do just as well as a playmate for your PP.
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby 3drahthaars » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:50 pm

I completely agree with the prior posts, mostly with the 20 days of hunting.

You owe it to your dog to hunt the coat off of it. If you dont its an injustice to both dogs.

You dont get a second hunting dog for play..
You get it to hunt MORE.

Its your job to wear your dog out. If you cant, you shouldnt get a second...

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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby JONOV » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:58 pm

Do you want another dog around? That's the only real question. You don't hunt enough to require it. You could easily go with a rescue/mutt whatever for the companionship factor.

I currently have my dog and a foster dog through the GWPCA Rescue org. I like the foster. I enjoy having her around. It does tell me that I don't really want a second dog around.

My dog is pretty well trained, at least from a socialization/obedience perspective. He's well enough trained and socialized that my wife can take him to work at a Dr's office.

The foster is, if poorly trained, an excellent companion with decent manners.

The two of them together? Tornadoes do less damage. Not destructive in that they chew or even really break stuff, just the jostling all the time, playing tug, chasing each other for a toy, jockeying for attention, the mess at meal time and the mess at the water bowls, trying to make sure feet are wiped before letting them inside...

And, its a double hassle on a leash, even dogs with leash manners you thought were good get crossed...Mine listens well enough but Foster Dog likes to bolt the door and then play keep away...

Anyhow, since your looking for another dog to be a companion, i have a GWP mix I'm fostering and might place. She's a sweetie that does well in the crate, is gentle with people, walks nice on a leash, and is 97% potty trained. Let me and the GWPCA rescue know :D
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Re: Should I get a second dog?

Postby mgrucker » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:17 pm

Geez, I didn't know I was such a slacker during the hunting season :shock: I didn't say anywhere the new dog wouldn't hunt, I want to get a hunting dog because I do hunt and would bring both dogs with. 20 days is 10/12 weekends of the pheasant season here and after 30 miles this last weekend my dog was plenty tired and beat up to take some time off until the next weekend. When I was talking about a play buddy I'm considering the other 9 months of the year.

JONOV wrote:The two of them together? Tornadoes do less damage.


I know what you mean there, we've had two dogs in the house enough to know what we're expecting there. Will finally give me some motivation to get rid of the carpet upstairs maybe:D

Misskiwi67 wrote:Mine do a VERY good job of wearing each other out. I throw them outside when they get antsy and they chase each other in figure 8s to blow off steam. This is exercise and does NOT reduce their need to be near you. Now you have two dogs that want to be touching you. A solid down stay to getboth out of your bubble iscritical.

We love having two dogs for upland, but it does create trouble for waterfowl where we leave one dog at home more often than not.


Thanks, that's the kind of feedback I was wondering about. I don't duck hunt so that's not a problem, just upland.

AverageGuy wrote:If you are not going to utilize a Vdog for its intended purposes then either do not acquire it or rescue a dog at the pound.


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