Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

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Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby tank12 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:59 pm

I have been looking into a new hunting dog, I mainly hunt waterfowl in Wisconsin. I do not want a lab, the two dogs I have been most interested in is a Boykin spaniel or a Pudelpointer. I have done alot of research but unfortunately have not had the opportunity to hunt over either since they're not as common. I really like that the boykin is much smaller then the PP but worries me since i do shoot alot of geese. Any opinions?
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby tank12 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:16 pm

I would also consider an American waterspaniel in place of the Boykin or a griffon, GWP or DD in place of the PP but to make it easier for discussion I narrowed it down to the two dogs.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby 3drahthaars » Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:58 pm

I think that your choice of hunting should determine your breed.

If you primarily hunt waterfowl and BIG waterfowl... personally, I'd just go with a specialist like a lab and be done with it.

Most PPs I've seen have a lot of upland sense, i.e. they hunt and point.

It would be a waste of a PP or a DD if you didn't hunt upland.

Just my $.02,

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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby tank12 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:15 pm

3drahthaars wrote:I think that your choice of hunting should determine your breed.

If you primarily hunt waterfowl and BIG waterfowl... personally, I'd just go with a specialist like a lab and be done with it.

Most PPs I've seen have a lot of upland sense, i.e. they hunt and point.

It would be a waste of a PP or a DD if you didn't hunt upland.

Just my $.02,

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I do hunt upland a lot, I typically go to the dakotas once a year for pheasant and I also hunt pheasant and grouse in Wisconsin. But I already know the upland capabilities of these breeds just not sure which would be a better choice given that I also hunt waterfowl a lot
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby tank12 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 1:30 pm

I currently have a German shorthair. One of the best dogs I've hunted over she will hunt and retrieve anything we go for land or water. She out hunts most of my buddies labs, including ones that have been professionally trained so I am past the idea of needing a lab to hunt waterfowl. I would get another shorthair but I would rather get a dog with a thicker coat for cold weather hunts.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby Texasphez » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:59 pm

Well given what you described as your hunting style I think it comes down to what do you want it the upland. Do you want a pointer or a flusher? I think both dogs would be capable of retrieving the waterfowl you hunt. I've seen some boykins haul in some good sized geese without to much trouble. My 1 1/2 year old PP is a retrieving machine on land and water and he's a nice 54 lb size. Plus he points pheasants which I like. I'm a former lab guy and I've already seen enough out of this dog that I will never go back.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby Camocruzr » Thu Dec 15, 2016 4:18 pm

I have a PP and he loves duck and goose hunting. I think he likes the action of duck hunting, whatever gets a bird in his mouth is good for him. His skills at retrieving are amazing. But then again I work on retrieving and blind retrieves a lot. One word of caution tho, PP tend to be vocal. You have to really work on them young to be quiet and some never learn. Mine tends to be a bit talkative. We use a canoe a lot and have trained him to be steady in it. You can actually tell him to get in and then drag the canoe and he just sits there. One of the reasons I picked a PP was the versatility and the good coat, hardly any shedding, good in cold water.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby AverageGuy » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:13 pm

Well, you shoot a lot of geese, want a thicker coat for cold waterfowl hunting, hunt pheasants and grouse a lot and have been hunting with a GSP and been very happy with it. That would all seem to point at a good PP, GWP, DD or WPG of the breeds you listed. There are good ones in all those breeds but I think the DDs are hard to beat for ease of finding a good litter/prospect and have the best percentage odds on the type of coat you are looking for.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby Duckdon » Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:52 pm

Interesting that you are considering 2 such different dog types. That said, if a DD is in the radar, and it should be if you hunt what you say, then I believe Dan Ritter, Ritterburg Kennels, has a couple liters on the ground or soon to be born. I have 2 of his dogs and we hunt everything.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby Bruce Schwartz » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:51 pm

Boykins have huge hearts and will bring in geese, swans, or sandhill cranes without a fuss. They're easy to train and at the HRC retriever tests I attend they remind me of bottle rockets compared to the lumbering labs, goldens, etc. They don't point, so wouldn't be my first choice for some upland hunting, but some griffons aren't much bigger and do everything you could need - I have two and my wife is ordering another. Although DD's (or GWPs) would be awesome, my present love is a PP. I haven't found anything this dog won't do and she has the sweetest disposition I've ever encountered in a dog. I don't find her to be particularly vocal but the pitch of her woof is so low you'd think she'd been crossed with a hound dog.

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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby orhunter » Sun Dec 18, 2016 10:36 am

Wisconsin is Griff Central, the homeland for the breed in N. America. To hunt Wisconsin with anything other than a Griffon is like burning the state flag.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby AverageGuy » Sun Dec 18, 2016 11:56 am

Bruce, you are the Glamour Shots of the dog world. Always enjoy your posts.
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby 3drahthaars » Sun Dec 18, 2016 8:47 pm

[quote=" Although DD's (or GWPs) would be awesome, my present love is a PP. I haven't found anything this dog won't do and she has the sweetest disposition I've ever encountered in a dog. I don't find her to be particularly vocal but the pitch of her woof is so low you'd think she'd been crossed with a hound dog.

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I'm a died in the wool DD guy, but I judged enough PPs to strongly consider one for my next pup.

They're worth a hard look if you hunt upland and waterfowl equally and like a nice pointing dog.

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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby Smilin Jack » Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:25 pm

Great Pic . My Duchess looks the same and you are entirely correct about the Disposition .....
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Re: Boykin Spaniel Vs. Pudelpointer

Postby IANative » Mon Dec 19, 2016 5:47 pm

1st post... had a Boykin for 9 years. Very affectionate dog w/ tremendous hunting drive. Mine loved the water, but was not a very good/strong swimmer. I trained mine primarily as an upland flusher. He worked very much like a Springer when he was young, and required an e-collar to stay within range (either due to his natural exuberance or my faults as a trainer). He eventually calmed down and hunted more methodically and "smart" as he got older. He did especially well when paired w/ pointing dogs, as he learned to defer to their noses. I would say he hit his prime around 6 years; sadly, he was diagnosed w/ degenerative arthritis in both hind legs at 8 years and his field stamina was greatly minimized. He now lives in TX w/ my hunting buddy- the doctors all agreed that a warmer climate would be gentler on his joints- and he gets to scratch his hunting itch in the TX dove fields where he doesn't have to work as hard.

Pros and cons, from my experience with my one Boykin:

Pros- Fantastic disposition, excellent retriever, tremendous locator of downed birds, and could hunt tight, low cover better than larger dogs
Cons- Had a stubborn streak that never really went away, shed a lot in the house and had a coat that would pick up stickers and burrs from 3 counties away
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