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What genetic trait is a must (most important of those listed) for a dog to be breeding stock?

A. Strong pointing instinct.
5
10%
B. Strong retrieveing instinct.
2
4%
C. Strong prey drive.
10
19%
D. Desire.
20
38%
E. Desire to please/cooperation.
15
29%
 
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What genetic trait is a must (most important of those listed

Postby ME » Tue Oct 26, 2004 10:31 pm

What genetic trait is a must (most important of those listed) for a dog to be breeding stock?
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Postby chicago0517 » Wed Oct 27, 2004 12:23 pm

Define the differences between C, D & E
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Postby ME » Wed Oct 27, 2004 1:26 pm

C prey drive This is the dogs behavior once it makes scent or sight of game "birdie"

D Desire this is how the dog searches for the game before scent has been encountered. It's desire to find and search for game..

E. Cooperation desire to please This is how a dog takes to training ie.. does the dog want to learn what you are trying to teach it or would it rather be off hunting alone.. Hard to teach.
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Postby fezman » Wed Oct 27, 2004 5:25 pm

you forgot temperment
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Postby pmw » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:43 am

Before any of that the dog must be healthy with no genetic defects then all three! If only it was that easy to find a bitch or stud dog like that.
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Postby bntsetter » Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:33 am

F- NONE OF THE ABOVE


NOSE - Period!!!! Followed by desire, pointing, and cooperation

I can teach a dog to stop on scent if it will find it
I can teach a dog to retrieve if it has any cooperation
AND with an e-collar I can DEMAND cooperation

Now I'm not sure I would enjoy hunting this dog BUT I could do it ;)


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Postby terryg » Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:48 pm

prey drive, though prey drive has nothing to do with your description.

prey drive is exacly what it says. the drive to hunt, catch and keep prey.

everything else is a derivitive of the basic prey instinct.

the best prey drive eats and the poorest starves. there are those that eat better or worse than others but that is nature's plan.
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Postby ME » Thu Oct 28, 2004 2:25 pm

NOSE - Period!!!! Followed by desire, pointing, and cooperation


A dog with a great nose and average desire will be out hunted by a dog with great desire and an average nose.

A dog can learn to use its nose. You can't train desire!!
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Postby bntsetter » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:51 am

ME,
Yes you are correct about being out hunted on the average day. However when the scenting conditions get difficult which dog will find more birds? OR what percentage of birds do you think will be handled properly by either dog? OR how many birds do you think you would walk by that would have otherwise never been found?

Regardless I belive I could hunt more effectively with an average desire (what actually is this as everyone has a different opinion as to what is average) dog with a superior nose then a dog with an average nose but superior desire.

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Postby Jon » Mon Nov 08, 2004 9:30 am

You really can't say that ONE genetic trait is most important becuase you can't get a really enjoyable dog without several traits being well represented in a dog. My pick would be sound temperament (mental stability) followed by desire and nose. Without sound temperament, you've just got problems you'll have to deal with for the life of the dog. You can electrify a dog into complicance, but is that a good dog? Maybe a serviceable dog, but not a good one. Soft dogs will break down, renegades will stick it to you, dumb dogs are constantly in training - no I'll take mental stability first - I don't want a dog that doesn't have solid "wiring".
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Postby Joe C. » Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:36 am

What an avatar Fezman :roll:
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