Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Places to hunt, firearms to use, problems encountered

Moderator: Moderator Pack

Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Willie T » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:14 am

After hunting with my new 20 guage Citori a little bit and getting used to it, I spent yesterday tweaking the fit. I got the patterns striking just the way I like with no user adjustment on the mount with a few alterations. Added a spacer and recoil pad to tack on 9/16" to the length of pull and altered the pitch. Ground them to fit. Also added A bit more cast on and toed it out just a bit. Got it fitting about perfect. After everything cooled off, I removed the bead and went outside to shoot each barrel and check what I had done. I used my natural mount with no user adjustment to the gun or conscious sighting. Just looking at the target and cutting it loose when the butt hit my shoulder. I was pleased with the results.
Spacer and pad added
IMG_2087.JPG

Bottom barrel with IC choke in
IMG_2089.JPG

Top barrel with mod choke in
IMG_2088.JPG
Willie T
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby orhunter » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:33 am

Birds will die. Lots of 'em.
SARCASM, one of the many free services I offer
orhunter
Champion Poster
Champion Poster
 
Posts: 7769
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 12:29 am
Location: nw oregon

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby LongHammer » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:14 pm

Don't show this to your hunting buddies. It is nice to have an excuse once in a while. That picture looks like some real craftsmanship.
"The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln
LongHammer
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 433
Joined: Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:17 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Kiger2 » Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:30 pm

Wille T,
Good stuff!

Any chance you could repeat with full chokes in both barrels????

what distance were you shooting at?

Just curious, the results look good.
Kiger2
Champion Poster
Champion Poster
 
Posts: 1056
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:34 pm

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Willie T » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:02 pm

Kiger, it will repeat with full. Full is what I shot to make my calculations of how much adjustment to make to the stock. At 16 yards 1/16" of stock adjustment to drop or cast will move the pattern 1", and what I initially shot to check it. That was my final results with the shotgun setup like I plan to carry it while quail hunting next week.
3/16" cast on, 1/8" toe out.
IMG_2092.JPG

Willie
Willie T
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Willie T » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:52 pm

LongHammer wrote:Don't show this to your hunting buddies. It is nice to have an excuse once in a while. That picture looks like some real craftsmanship.


No worries Longhammer:
sun was in my eyes,
couldn't get the safety off,
stepped in a hole,
glasses fogged up on me,
I pulled off it cause I didn't want to shoot over the dogs
Cell phone distracted me
Plenty more where those came from.....
Willie
Willie T
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby woodboro » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:59 pm

Impact testing makes a shooter so knowledgable.

I always thought it would be wise to show youths this test , so they know what pellets can do and size of pattern .
woodboro
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 296
Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:50 pm

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby stubblejumper » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:36 am

Looks excellent, my friend almost had a heart attack when I took a rasp to the comb on my Blaser F-3, but if it doesn't fit, it's just a noisemaker.
Last edited by stubblejumper on Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
stubblejumper
Senior Poster
Senior Poster
 
Posts: 248
Joined: Sun Feb 28, 2016 1:15 am
Location: Alberta Canada

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby ANick » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:31 pm

Willie T wrote:After hunting with my new 20 guage Citori a little bit and getting used to it, I spent yesterday tweaking the fit. I got the patterns striking just the way I like with no user adjustment on the mount with a few alterations. Added a spacer and recoil pad to tack on 9/16" to the length of pull and altered the pitch. Ground them to fit. Also added A bit more cast on and toed it out just a bit. Got it fitting about perfect. After everything cooled off, I removed the bead and went outside to shoot each barrel and check what I had done. I used my natural mount with no user adjustment to the gun or conscious sighting. Just looking at the target and cutting it loose when the butt hit my shoulder. I was pleased with the results.
Spacer and pad added
IMG_2087.JPG

Bottom barrel with IC choke in
IMG_2089.JPG

Top barrel with mod choke in
IMG_2088.JPG




Willie,
Did you steam that stock to bend it?? Curious about the process you went through. Results look great!
ANick
Senior Poster
Senior Poster
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:03 pm

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Willie T » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:44 pm

Nick, I used raw linseed oil to heat the stock. There is some good info on YouTube. Look at it and if you have more questions I would be glad to answer them on the phone one weekend evening. It is not a project for the weak of heart or indecisive. There is some risk involved but as a lefty, I felt the risk was worthwhile to obtain the fit I like. A good stock fitter can fix you up if you're overly concerned you may ruin your stock. One piece of advice is to make sure your mount is completely sound and consistent before you start bending on your stock to get the most out of doing it.
Willie
Willie T
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby ANick » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:37 am

Willie T wrote:Nick, I used raw linseed oil to heat the stock. There is some good info on YouTube. Look at it and if you have more questions I would be glad to answer them on the phone one weekend evening. It is not a project for the weak of heart or indecisive. There is some risk involved but as a lefty, I felt the risk was worthwhile to obtain the fit I like. A good stock fitter can fix you up if you're overly concerned you may ruin your stock. One piece of advice is to make sure your mount is completely sound and consistent before you start bending on your stock to get the most out of doing it.
Willie


Willie,
I had you pegged for either being 'right-minded', as my southpaw sister would put it, or else... one seriously wide head. :)
Not too sure about 'sound', but the mount is probably pretty well fossilized. My go-to guns are nice old LC Smith field grades that give me pause thinking of them as 'experimental' pieces. Probably worth talking to a fitter a bit first. :)

Thanks!
ANick
Senior Poster
Senior Poster
 
Posts: 217
Joined: Sat Nov 07, 2015 4:03 pm

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Kiger2 » Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:22 pm

Willie,
Semantics question. You said you had "cast on" and "toe out". Isnt the cast based on the shooter and not the gun. IE, Cast on for a lefty would be cast off for a righty, Toe out for a righty would be toe in for a lefty, or am i on crack? If I picked up your gun and mounted it i would say its cast on.
Kiger2
Champion Poster
Champion Poster
 
Posts: 1056
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:34 pm

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Willie T » Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:20 am

Kiger2 wrote:Willie,
Semantics question. You said you had "cast on" and "toe out". Isnt the cast based on the shooter and not the gun. IE, Cast on for a lefty would be cast off for a righty, Toe out for a righty would be toe in for a lefty, or am i on crack? If I picked up your gun and mounted it i would say its cast on.


I can't say with confidence Kiger. I'm more of a results based guy. Amateur shotgun fitting is just something I picked up thanks to being a lefty. I learned how to fit my stocks to my dimensions for shooting from the left shoulder. I can't say I put the first bit of effort into the nomenclature. As long as the pattern goes where I look, and I know how to set up that dynamic with a wood stock, I'm at peace with however anyone wants to describe the results.
Willie T
Master Poster
Master Poster
 
Posts: 329
Joined: Mon Aug 15, 2016 10:26 am

Re: Tweaking the fit on A new shotgun

Postby Kiger2 » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:23 pm

Willie no problem, I think most would be surprised how badly their guns fit. I bent mine years ago with a heat lamp. Worked fine but I still ended up with a custom stock.Good for you for doing it yourself, its not that hard with a little education.
Kiger2
Champion Poster
Champion Poster
 
Posts: 1056
Joined: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:34 pm


Return to Hunting & Firearms

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests