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Postby bill10979 » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:49 pm

Here is a really cool action photo of some German Terriers. Im bored on a Friday night and doing a bit of surfing.

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthrea ... t=Huge+cat
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Postby TobyTx » Sat Dec 24, 2005 1:28 pm

Wow what a big kitty cat! As was mentioned in their post, its funny the cat did not swat the stuffing out of the dogs. The pics of the mule killing a cat was cool too.
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Postby DrahtsundBraats » Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:36 am

Amazing what digital editing can do!!!
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Postby orhunter » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:12 pm

Holy cow! That cat has to be pushing 300 lbs. A truely large one almost never clears 200 but this one is the exception.

Must be a Mexifornia kitty that got that big from eating....... Well, never mind.
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Postby terryg » Thu Jan 05, 2006 3:27 pm

DrahtsundBraats wrote:Amazing what digital editing can do!!!


not really but close. if you look at the complete set of pix(they made the i-net rounds about a year ago) you can see the hounds that ran him sitting in the background in one pic.

anyone that knows hounds will tell ya they won't sit back and let a mule kill a cat :wink: for them. as a matter of fact they would have been on the mule too! :lol: :lol: :lol:

he was already dead but it was a cool pic!

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Postby Hank » Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:18 pm

DrahtsundBraats wrote:Amazing what digital editing can do!!!


No kidding. Since when is a cat that big scared of dogs that small??? I don't get it.
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Postby terryg » Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:03 pm

Hank wrote:
DrahtsundBraats wrote:Amazing what digital editing can do!!!


No kidding. Since when is a cat that big scared of dogs that small??? I don't get it.


mt lions only get tough when guarding prey. they are stealth individuals just like housecats and hunt by surprise.

even large african cats as well as the bengal tigers of india are hardly ever seen let alone confronted.

they escape pressure by running until that is no longer an option at which time they "go to ground" and fight.

when it comes to a mt lion they will, at that time, be shot as though the dogs will create a lot of pressure a cat is very hard if not impossible for the hounds to dispatch.

the word "terrier" is derived from the latin word terra which means ground.

the terrier breeds pursue until the prey goes to ground then they were designed with super tenacity(gameness)to eventully kill the prey or die trying.

to protect their investment the dogs are protected by their owner by killing the prey themselves.

this is how hunting worked for thousands of years. afhan hounds, and their relatives, were trained to hunt and kill leopards, some records indicate, as early as 5000 bc.

guns have only been around for a couple hundred years.

relative size is a human calculation that requires anylitcal thinking or "reasoning abilty" which dogs, for all intents and purposes, do not posess.

humans are fearful of thsoe that seem "larger or more powerful" then themselves. some humans, thank goodness, are still not fearful of anything that walks on 2 legs or 4, crawls, flys or swims, whether seen or unseen. :wink:

others are like the mule in the picture. pretty tough when the lion can't fight back! :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Postby hicntry » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:18 pm

You bet, terriers dig.

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Survival instict is what makes them run. Bears and big cats are the top predators. Survival instinct, which many fur dogs don't have a lot of, keep other wildlife from trying to attack the bears and cats. The result, bears and cats are caught off guard by anything coming after them and retreat to a safe spot to figure it out. Rest assured....they do learn if dogged a couple of times. Walking bears, are the result of being dogged. They won't climb anymore and the know they don't have to. The just go about their business and kill any dog that gets overly brave. A guy up north put his hounds on a lion and all were killed but one. The lion heard the baying and had learned the drill and abushed them as they came down his trail. The survivor was in pretty sorry shape also.
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Postby Hank » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:51 pm

Not to get off track here HC but how are them dales doing on birds? I know you set a few in the hands of bird doggers.
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Postby hicntry » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:47 pm

They are doing great Hank. Here is a couple of pictures of Buck, the same one that was doing the water retrieving in previous pictures. I guess some don't think he is great because he retrieves everyones birds and brings them back to Jim.LOL Dan said he was going to try and get Apache and Lenape(both males from here) to the National hunt test in Ohio this march. Keeping my fingers crossed on that one.

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Postby orhunter » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:42 pm

I love this stuff..... I think the lab guys are shakin' in their boots..........
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Postby hicntry » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:52 pm

LOL Orhunter, I find some of the observations Jim has made are interesting. When quail hunting with friends with english pointers for instance, he noticed the pointers were better finding birds before the shot. In heavy cover, Buck found every shot bird that the pointers couldn't find. Through years of selective breeding, the pointers nose zeros in on birds, the airedale zero's in on blood would be my take. Graham Sharp trained Buck and he said Buch never lost a downed bird that the other specialist couldn't find. It has to be the blood. Graham said Buck had one of the best noses he has seen in 25 years which gives a person an idea of the eventual power of selective breeding when it comes to the pointers and bird scent. Jim hasn't mentioned any difference when it comes to retriever specialists which probably zero in on blood scent also.
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Postby cesar17 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:59 pm

Those dogs are Deustches Jagdterriers and are probably the most versatile dog pound for pound (don`t want all the DD guys to get mad at me so I threw that little note in) they are used to drive pigs in Europe and the U.S. They can drive anything you want. They top at at 16 inches at the shoulder and 24 lbs. Check out www.germanjagdterrier.net they do everything furred and feathered. They track wounded game. They just are too small to retrieve geese. That website shows dogs driving pigs that are just huge.
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Postby hicntry » Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:57 pm

Ceasar, are they really driving the pigs to a specific spot or are they just running along barking at them. Personally, I want the dogs to keep the hogs anchord in one place and not let them run.....that way I don't have to chase them down. There is a pic on the website that says the dog is treeing a daytime coon. I always understood that the one thing jagds wouldn't do is bark treed.
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Postby cesar17 » Fri Feb 10, 2006 9:36 pm

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Airedales are great dogs but when hunting hogs how do they hold the pig in one place. The way hogs are hunted with jagds is by tracking the pigs down then they chew on the gentials to make the pig sit down. The pigs will figure out pretty quick that they can`t outrun jagds (the jagd is to fast) and that their gentials will get chewed on b/c they can`t dodge their huge teeth (the jagd is too quick) so they stay there and the hunter comes to the bay and shoots the pig. With coons jagds will bay treed but they won`t sit there forever like a cur or hound.
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