Top 3 breed with the strongest pointing instinct?

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Top 3 breed with the strongest pointing instinct?

Postby Bigshrimp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:32 am

This should get everyone fired up :onfire:

I was going to ask "Which breed has the strongest pointing instinct?" but then figured everyone would just say the Pointer....or maybe not??

So, what do you think are the top 3 breeds in terms of pointing instinct (on average since some lines may have stronger point than others within the breed)??

Things to consider: age to first point, age to consistent pointing, strong intense points, etc.
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Postby yawallac » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:45 am

1. Pointer
2. & 3. Diluted versions

Things to consider:

age to first point - Pointer
age to consistent pointing - Pointer
strong intense points, etc. - Pointer

Nothing else is close.
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Postby KYgsp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:11 am

My vote would be the E. setter. I have seen a bunch of them that had so much point that they would point even if there wasn't any game there.
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Postby Bigshrimp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:13 am

KYgsp wrote:My vote would be the E. setter.

What about number 2 and 3?
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Postby orhunter » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:24 am

The breed that poped into my mind first was the E. setter. Just a gut feeling as I have almost no experience with the breed.
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Postby KYgsp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:22 pm

Bigshrimp wrote:
KYgsp wrote:My vote would be the E. setter.

What about number 2 and 3?


2. Pointer
3. GSP
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Postby yawallac » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:49 pm

I guess you setter boys didn't read "Things to consider". Setters are notoriously slow starters.... But everyone knows that!! What I've noticed is that setter lovers are notoriously poor readers!! :D
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Postby orhunter » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:01 pm

I don't like setters but still got my vote.
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Postby Rick Hall » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:04 pm

Never owned one, but what popped into my mind was, "Pointer, pointer and pointer."

And that's coming from a huge setter fan.

Ross, my setters certainly were not slow starters, or slow anything else. Just not as point crazy as most pointers I've been around. Have only known one setter so point happy it was counterproductive but can think of more than a few such pointers...
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Postby chiendog » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:34 pm

Once again, it is a question of semantics

What is a "strong pointing instinct" and can it exist in a sort of vacuum without taking other things like nose, brains, retrieve into consideration?

Pointers of course come to mind first. They point early, point hard and show great intensity...that is if you are talking about Pointers bred for trials and hunting. Show bred Pointers ...well, not so much (ya, I know that there are not many around, but there are some)

Setters, as mentioned, may develop a bit later...but can also be "stickier". Sticky refers to dogs that refuse to move in to flush birds as many in Europe want them to do. Is this because they have a stronger pointing instinct...too strong?

What about breeds selected for a strong retrieving instinct? Do they point less because they have less point or because the strong point they do have can sometimes be over-ridden by the intense desire to retrieve...and the flip side of course can be said of strong pointers...does their point seem strong simply because some may lack the desire to retreive?

just food for thought...no answers here....
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Postby Steve Anker » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:40 pm

1. Clumber Spaniel
2. Spinone
3. Large Munsterlander
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Postby Bigshrimp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:02 pm

C'mon Chien......give us your answer and tell us how you defined "pointing instinct" to get to that answer!! :D
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Postby Bigshrimp » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:03 pm

Steve Anker wrote:1. Clumber Spaniel
2. Spinone
3. Large Munsterlander

OK Steve....what's your REAL answer:

1. Pointer
2. GSP
3. ???
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Postby Steve Anker » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:37 pm

1. Pointer
2. GSP
3. English Setter

Truly, the difference between 1-2-3 is microscopic-

-owned Pointers/GSPs that went positively catatonic on point,
have seen (& been BEAT by) Eng Setters that did the same and would have been proud n priviledged to add to our string.
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Postby terryg » Tue Feb 05, 2008 2:49 pm

Steve Anker wrote:1. Pointer
2. GSP
3. English Setter

Truly, the difference between 1-2-3 is microscopic-

-owned Pointers/GSPs that went positively catatonic on point,
have seen (& been BEAT by) Eng Setters that did the same and would have been proud n priviledged to add to our string.


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