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Re: Hips

Postby Densa44 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 11:53 am

I only go the 3 generations on the posted pedigree.
Pine Ridges Ginnieve NA 112 UT pz 1 200
Camridge's Sienna NA 112 UT pz 1 204
Foothill Joce NA 112
Czarina Vom Oberland VJP 70 NA pz 112
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Re: Hips

Postby Calvinator » Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:20 pm

3 generations is fairly meaningless.
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Re: Hips

Postby Densa44 » Sun Nov 13, 2016 10:26 pm

It may be meaningless to you but the bible talks about it, and all the published geneticists.
Pine Ridges Ginnieve NA 112 UT pz 1 200
Camridge's Sienna NA 112 UT pz 1 204
Foothill Joce NA 112
Czarina Vom Oberland VJP 70 NA pz 112
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Re: Hips

Postby hicntry » Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:29 pm

I can go back 14 generations. Of course they are all the same males. Seems I recall that science tried to lay the blame on tight breeding. Well that didn't work and now they are getting to the real cause.....the environment. So simple really.
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Re: Hips

Postby Doc E » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:24 pm

hicntry wrote: now they are getting to the real cause.....the environment. So simple really.


Quite likely true.
If CHD was genetic, why aren't BOTH hips affected ?
The majority of the time, CHD is unilateral.

But there must be some kind of genetic component.....
Breeding Excellent x Excellent = 3.5% rate of dysplasia whereas
breeding Dysplastic x Dysplastic - 25% chance of dysplasia.

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Re: Hips

Postby hicntry » Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:26 pm

Doc don't know how accurate the numbers are really. A very small number of labs are tested considering all the labs out there. Secondly, If people suspect their dog is having trouble getting up, they are much more likely to have the dog tested as compared to those that see no sign of HD.
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Re: Hips

Postby JONOV » Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:38 am

Doc E wrote:
hicntry wrote: now they are getting to the real cause.....the environment. So simple really.


Quite likely true.
If CHD was genetic, why aren't BOTH hips affected ?
The majority of the time, CHD is unilateral.

But there must be some kind of genetic component.....
Breeding Excellent x Excellent = 3.5% rate of dysplasia whereas
breeding Dysplastic x Dysplastic - 25% chance of dysplasia.

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Does anyone know what in the environment causes displasia? Nutrition? How the dog is exercised?
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Re: Hips

Postby STait » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:09 am

This is how I test my dog's hips;

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Re: Hips

Postby Doc E » Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:16 am

JONOV wrote:Does anyone know what in the environment causes displasia? Nutrition? How the dog is exercised?

Nutrition, slippery floors, some forms of exercise and who knows what else, but with proper nutrition, some of the other environmental factors can be lessened.

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Re: Hips

Postby orhunter » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:57 am

STait.... Works for me too.... My dog's Penn-Hip scores were 49 and 51 or there abouts. I wouldn't breed those numbers so she was just a huntin' dog. Fun watching her run up to a barb wire fence and just sail over not losing a step. She never went around anything she could jump over....
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Re: Hips

Postby Doc E » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:42 am

hicntry wrote:Doc don't know how accurate the numbers are really.

1. A very small number of labs are tested considering all the labs out there.

2. Secondly, If people suspect their dog is having trouble getting up, they are much more likely to have the dog tested as compared to those that see no sign of HD.


1. And that's the reason we don't see a reduction of various genetic or genetically influenced diseases.
2. Good breeders test all of their dogs, whether they are showing symptoms or not.

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Re: Hips

Postby hicntry » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:49 am

"2. Good breeders test all of their dogs, whether they are showing symptoms or not."


Ahhhh. Good to know. LOL
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