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Postby carramrod » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:15 pm

How did you keep track of all your dog's without any confinement? Did you have enough property they would roam around and then return without bothering neighbors?
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Postby hicntry » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:07 pm

I had two acres fenced into five separate yards. Pups also learned about electric fences at about 4 1/2 weeks old. They only touched it twice.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby hicntry » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:19 pm

Here is a short clip of Tucco at about 10 months. I never even picked this dog up until he was 3 months old. This dog copes with new things better than socialized dogs. How can that be possible? Because he had a life when young.
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Postby STait » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:29 pm

Don, I too only give my dogs their first three shots and one rabies and never worry about it again. Except, my 18 month old pup is running in a trial in Canada soon and he has to have a new rabies certificate. I don't crate train my puppies per se. I take them out for short trips in the truck when they're 5 weeks on up to get them used to it. No, it's probably not necessary, but it might help with motion sickness. If I need to crate a sick pup I crate them and they usually sleep through the night with no accidents at an early age. However, I have seen puppies with newly opened eyes and ears come running to the door when they hear my voice and believe they have done it without really seeing their mother do it. But, maybe they're more perceptive than I think.

I believe vets are even better than dentists at finding ways to get you to come in. I would love to see a list of the top ten reasons people take their dogs to the vet. My friend who's a vet says diarrhea is number one. It's almost always bacteria in the gut and 9 times out of 10 a restriction of food clears it up. What would the other 9 reasons be.....anyone??
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby STait » Thu Aug 11, 2016 2:40 pm

However, I have been in dire need of a veterinarian, so I'm grateful that they are available when I need one
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby Misskiwi67 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:31 pm

Skin infections are the #1 reason for vet visits after vaccines. I wish people would do more Heartworm/flea/tick prevention and less vaccines. Everyone thinks they are a good owner for giving a 5 way, when in reality the 1 year 5way booster is good for 7+ years.

Withholding food doesn't fix diarrhea.Time fixes it, or antibiotics if time doesn't. People are too attached to their white carpet to wait 3 days.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby Misskiwi67 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 3:36 pm

Here's your top 10 list.

http://www.virbacvet.com/news/article/t ... to-the-vet

If you do rabies according to law, and give your pet monthly Heartworm prevention (if South of I-90) I don't really care if you are in every year. I DO care that your pet doesn't break a tooth in the kennel if hospitalized for pancreatitis, or will let me suture a barbed wire laceration or fix a broken nail without Sedation. I'm not in this business to waste your money or torture dogs.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby STait » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:17 pm

Misskiwi67 wrote:Skin infections are the #1 reason for vet visits after vaccines. I wish people would do more Heartworm/flea/tick prevention and less vaccines. Everyone thinks they are a good owner for giving a 5 way, when in reality the 1 year 5way booster is good for 7+ years.

Withholding food doesn't fix diarrhea.Time fixes it, or antibiotics if time doesn't. People are too attached to their white carpet to wait 3 days.


Withholding food for 24 hours pretty much fixes mine every time. I appreciate your honesty on the vaccines. I use heart guard for heartworm but I've never seen a case here. Of course my vet has though. No tick or flea treatment unless I'm going to KS or OK for quail. Don't see ticks in the habitat i run dogs in. And, again, I am thankful for your services for certain things. I usually just use my reproduction vet for everything.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby STait » Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:32 pm

Ear infection-simple fix if you have the meds, which I do.
Skin allergies-breed dependent, never seen this in my dogs.
Skin infection-lucky I guess, never seen this.
Non-cancerous-skin growth-likely to fix itself.
Upset stomach-time left without food fixes a high percentage.
Intestinal upset/diarrhea-same as above.
Arthritis-old age
Bladder infection-lucky again, never seen this in my dogs.
Bruise or contusion-usually get over this within a few days.
Underactive thyroid-breed specific, or I'm just lucky again, never seen it.

Thanks for posting this list. It makes me think I did a good job choosing my line of dogs. Bowel obstruction might fit under upset stomach, I had that issue a while back with a young stupid pup. Emergency vet wanted $3500 to go in and cut it out. When I walked out the door he said "I wish your puppy well" and I said "no you don't, you just want to stuff your wallet"! I think he could tell I wasn't happy. He then said "I don't set the prices"...My friend did it for $500 and he didn't have to cut the gut. I treated him with IV solution overnight and kept him hydrated. I'm lucky to have a friend that will take it easy on me.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby marjolein » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:11 am

I have to agree with Hicntry.

I have been a vet nurse for over 20 years and people take their dogs to the vets for everything nowadays. Even when a fart seems to get stuck.

Also, a lot of people who socialise their pups the way we think it should be done nowadays, have the worst behaved dogs you'd ever meet.
I really think his method works, but ONLY for dogs who are still close to nature and most dogs nowadays don't have a clue (I'm talking about the average dog I met at the clinic over all these years).

But saying this, although I know my dogs would cope in the wild and they would be sociable without much handling, I do raise them in the house and I do take them to the vets for their jabs (3 puppy jabs and for the rabies shots which are an obligation if you cross borders here in Europe and their lepto shots).
Not that I think it's necessary, but just because I love seeing these pups grow up and watch their development closely.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby marjolein » Fri Aug 12, 2016 3:16 am

p.s. One of the biggest Pointers breeders in Europe, the "Del Vento" kennel, also had his dogs in one large confined area and he let them live their lifes without much interference. It was a survival of the fittest. It resulted in everyone knowing about this kennel for his high quality of dogs. At the end of his life he became mentally ill and really neglected his dogs and then it all fell apart unfortunately.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby STait » Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:49 am

If you really want to learn something about socializing puppies (and don't have the space and time to do it yourself), as well as a myriad of other FACTS about breeding dogs and their behavior, you can read about the huge study done in the 60's by John Paul Scott and John L. Fuller titled "Genetics and the Social Behavior of the Dog". You'll find it took very little contact with humans to keep the pups well socialized. A lot of their studies were done with orphaned pups too, so with no influence from their parents. Very interesting study!!!

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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Aug 12, 2016 10:06 am

A case study for you... Dog comes in for a lump on the toe 3 weeks ago. Happy dog, social, wagging tail, seeking affection. Touch anywhere behind the hips and she spins with teeth bared. Asked owner if the could put her on the table so I can examine her better without touching as much. Owners say they've never done that, not sure if they can. Owners attempt and are unsuccessful at picking up the dog.

By being unable to examine, I am limited in recommendations. Give options, monitor or biopsy, owners elect biopsy after finding out bad things can start as toe growths. We end up amputating the toe due to owners inability to even soak the foot if we start with biopsy.

Unable to muzzle dog for anesthesia injection. dog broke gauze muzzle, slips collar. End up having to tackle the dog with a thick towel and hold her by the neck while a tech gives the sedative. Immediately after the injection (before drugs kick in) when I relax the dog is wagging tail and comfortable with human contact, despite still being in a bear hug. Really a nice dog, I'm starting to like the little shithead.

Toe amputated, comes back early stage cancer. Unlikely to have spread, everyone gets a pat on the back.

Now Monday I will be taking sutures out this dogs toe. I will likely (hoping tackle and bear hug works, but chances slim) have to waste 30 minutes of my time and a couple hundred bucks sedating this dog to get the stitches out. It should be a 5 minute, free visit. This pisses me off - a nice dog that can't handle basic handling because proper socialization wasn't done, and/or proper training wasn't maintained.

And the owners are confused because the dog is "great" at home. I'm sure it is- but if you ask them (I did) it's never had a nail trim or any handling beyond ear scratches and attaching a leash to collar.
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby hicntry » Fri Aug 12, 2016 12:21 pm

Miss K, instead of telling stories of one dog you have encountered, how about you give us a detailed account on how you have raised all your pups when you breed. How did they turn out with all your experience?
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Re: I was bored and run across these videos.

Postby STait » Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:16 pm

Misskiwi, I understand you're speaking in general terms even using a specific account. General as far as socialization. Neither you or I can help idiots. If one of my dogs were to turn and snap trying to bite anyone including a vet, it would be put to sleep on the spot. But, that's just me, I don't have or breed that kind of dog. Maybe that's why my vet recommends my pups to her clients;-)
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