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#2 problems

Postby Deuce » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:02 am

Warning, not for the faint of heart/easily grossed out.

My two older GSP's, 10 & 12, are having some stool issues.

When we returned home from vacation 3 weeks ago our dog sitter (same one we've had for 3 years), mentioned that they were pretty loose and mucousy. 2-3 days went by and I didn't notice anything different, they were completely normal for those 2-3 days. Then, same thing happened both had mucousy and runny stool. Needing to go out in the middle of the night, my oldest went in the house a few times while we were out, which never happens, etc. Just awful. We took 24hrs off food and then switched to ground venison and rice with the fat drained off. After about a week - 10 days they solidified, and I transitioned them back to regular kibble, dr. tims. They've been fine since Monday. Then, in the middle of the night last night, the 10 y/o woke me up to go out and proceeded to have another runny/mucousy BM.

I had a stool sample run a week and 1/2 ago on both dogs and no worms/tapeworms showed up. No special treats. Nothing different, even with the sitter. She knows to keep them on their normal routine.

What gives?

Is the Pursuit too rich for older dogs who are less active? What would have brought this on? Other thoughts?
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Re: #2 problems

Postby carramrod » Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:49 am

Had a similar issue with our miniature schnauzer a few months back. Vet thought it might just be a bacterial imbalance in the GT. Went with the bland diet, and they have us some Purina forta flora (sp) packets to sprinkle on the food. He was back to normal in a few days, and hasn't come up since.

They also said the food might be too high in fat for him. But he's been on it for a while and is actually still on it, with no issues.

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Re: #2 problems

Postby GWPtyler » Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:21 pm

My 5 yo GWP has had on-off diarrhea. Last year he was diagnosed with giardia, but that cleared up with meds. I haven't been able to really link anything except that it seems to flair up when he gets especially anxious. The last time was right after we moved to our new house. Sort of clears up on his own. The telling difference between his normal bouts and the giardi was the latter resulted in extreme lethargy and weakness, which prompted a vet visit.
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Re: #2 problems

Postby Deuce » Thu Aug 06, 2015 1:37 pm

GWP - That is what I'm thinking... although they've never had this type of anxiety before. Similar to your pup, no other symptoms. Besides needing to go more frequently they're completely normal.
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Re: #2 problems

Postby GWPtyler » Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:00 pm

Deuce wrote:GWP - That is what I'm thinking... although they've never had this type of anxiety before. Similar to your pup, no other symptoms. Besides needing to go more frequently they're completely normal.


He also recently (within the last few months) started eating grass. Even as a pup he never did this (the lone exception was when he had an intestinal blockage and was eating grass in order to throw up).

The big difference is this it the first summer he's had to sit on the sidelines while I train the young up-and-comer. Remy still gets exercise and a bit of work, but nowhere near his little brother. I'm guessing all those factors come into play.
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Re: #2 problems

Postby Doc E » Thu Aug 06, 2015 8:04 pm

Treatment : 1 heaping Tablespoon of pure canned pumpkin (not the kind with pie spices)
and 1 heaping Tablespoon of a quality yogurt (Nancy's or Stoneyfield) with the dog's food. Twice a day for 5 to 7 days.

Maintenance : Same as above, but only twice a week.

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Re: #2 problems

Postby vman » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:31 am

Treatment : 1 heaping Tablespoon of pure canned pumpkin (not the kind with pie spices)
and 1 heaping Tablespoon of a quality yogurt (Nancy's or Stoneyfield) with the dog's food. Twice a day for 5 to 7 days.

Maintenance : Same as above, but only twice a week.


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With that being said, I have noticed some of these issues with customer dogs and I believe the hot weather / algae also contributes.

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Re: #2 problems

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:12 pm

Doc E wrote:Treatment : 1 heaping Tablespoon of pure canned pumpkin (not the kind with pie spices)
and 1 heaping Tablespoon of a quality yogurt (Nancy's or Stoneyfield) with the dog's food. Twice a day for 5 to 7 days.

Maintenance : Same as above, but only twice a week.

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Re: #2 problems

Postby Coveyrise64 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:03 pm

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I keep both Fenbendazole and Metronidazole on hand for gastrointestinal issues. One for parasites the other for bacteria. Not sure if it is still available but Purina's Fortiflora or an other Probiotic are also options. If you think the food is a problem you might cut back on the amount.

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Re: #2 problems

Postby lanco » Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:11 pm

Actually I would say if it's both dogs affected there is may well be an underlying infectious cause. Giardia and whip worms can be hard to detect by fecal flotation. If you really want a diagnosis have your veterinarian run a more in depth fecal through a reference lab. If you want emperic treatment 5 days of fenbendazole should eliminate either organism. The odds that both dogs have simultaneous stress collitis or imbalance of intestinal microbiota seems low. That said a probiotic (commercial or live culture yogurt) isn't going to hurt anything.
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Re: #2 problems

Postby Calvinator » Fri Aug 07, 2015 9:25 pm

have them checked for Cryptosporidium, giardia and coccidia.
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Re: #2 problems

Postby Deuce » Sun Aug 09, 2015 7:02 am

Update: reduced food amounts have things back to normal. I'll keep updating should things change. Thanks for the input all.
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