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I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Duckdog17 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:17 pm

Jäger monster is a lean mean bird finding machine...
Emphasis on the "lean" part... ;)

Alright, seriously,...
21 month old DD in good health.
He's been on Dr. Tim's 30/20 since he graduated from puppy food.
Has always ran a little on the lean side...
I was feeding him 2 cups in the morning, and then 2 cups in the evening for a 4 cup a day total.
I increased to 2 1/2 cups per feeding for a while, but it seems to loosen him up too much. And, he has a tendency to be a little loose anyway.

I haven't had him weighed in quite a while, but I'd guess he's somewhere around 75 pounds. He's a big boy...
I'd just like to put a little bit of "bulk" on him. Not a lot by any means...he's at "fighting weight" right now, but he doesn't have any reserve at all.
After a 2 day hunt, I can tell he's slimmed down.

I spoke with Dr. Tim just yesterday, and he suggested (maybe) adding a TBSP of corn oil, or canola oil to his feed.

Do you add "fat" to gain fat, or do you add protein and/or carbs?
Would an egg be better or maybe even the equivalent of a TBSP of oil?
Would a fish oil supplement add much?

Any suggestions, or discussion would be appreciated...
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Kevin (and Jäger) ;)

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Fun Dog » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:45 pm

The oil is a good suggestion. I highly recommend Annamaet impact as well. A lot of good stuff in that.
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Doc E » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:56 pm

I'll initially leave this up to our Veterinarians --- They seem to know everything about nutrition :twisted:
Once they answer, I'll post my thoughts.
I'll be very interested in their "take" on Dr Tim's suggestion of corn oil.

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Coveyrise64 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:57 pm

Duckdog17 wrote:.....Do you add "fat" to gain fat, or do you add protein and/or carbs?
Would an egg be better or maybe even the equivalent of a TBSP of oil?
Would a fish oil supplement add much?

Any suggestions, or discussion would be appreciated...

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http://www.valleyvet.com/ct_detail.html ... 1b2166c62d

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Duckdog17 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 6:59 pm

Speak your mind Doc!
I know you've done your research, and I'd like to hear your thoughts...
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby orhunter » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:28 pm

Extra calories should come in the form of animal fat, NOT OIL.

Fish oil is a supplement for health reasons, not for weight gain. Should be getting it every day.

If you insist on feeding twice a day, make sure the morning meal is nothing more than a small snack. Don't want a working dog's gut full of grub.

A fried egg is very high in nutrition, so is yogurt. The yogurt might firm up the dog's stools.
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Doc E » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:53 pm

Coveyrise64 wrote:


Really ? Look at the ingredients that I've made RED
Ingredients:
Soybean Oil, Sucrose, Non-Fat Dry Milk, Propylene Glycol, Egg White, Glycerine, Polysorbate 80, Pectin, Gum Arabic, Sodium Benzoate (Preservative), Vitamin A Palmitate, Cholecalciferol (Vitamin D3), dl-Alpha Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E), Niacin, d-Pantothenyl Alcohol, Riboflavin 5 Phosphate, Thiamine Hydrochloride, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Folic Acid, Vanilla extract, FD&C Yellow #5.

Sucrose : Do you really want your athlete dog consuming table sugar ?
Glycerine has no nutritional use
Polysorbate 80 -- really ?
Sodium Benzoate ? Chemical crap
Gum Arabic makes it thicker with no nutritional value
dl-alpha tocopheryl acetate -- dl is the synthetic version. d-alpha is great, but dl is junk
Most of the vitamins that it contains are chemical junk
FD&C Yellow ? ? ? ? For what ? ? ?

I wouldn't even give my worst enemy's dog this crap.

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Doc E » Wed Dec 31, 2014 7:54 pm

Duckdog17 wrote:Speak your mind Doc!
I know you've done your research, and I'd like to hear your thoughts...


Oh, I will, just hold your horses until our resident Vets chime in.

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Duckdog17 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 8:15 pm

You messed up your quote...I didn't post that link.

And Harv,...I don't feed before a hunt.
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Camspal » Wed Dec 31, 2014 9:23 pm

Only way I can keep weight on my 3 1/2 year old PP is "no hunting"!
"I can live with a skinny dog"
?- Anyone ever seen anything but a slim marathoner?
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Coveyrise64 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:01 am

Doc E wrote:.....I wouldn't even give my worst enemy's dog this crap.


Thanks....I'll take this up with my vet. Is there any thing else I should have him call you about?

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Misskiwi67 » Thu Jan 01, 2015 10:47 am

A half cup extra per meal is only a 25% increase. He's probably doubled or quadrupled his usual activity level, correct? Just feed more food.

I feed an extra cup of food (increase from 2 cups to 3) the night before a hunt, feed a normal breakfast the morning of, provide snacks during the hunt in the form of string cheese, and feed 3 cups the evening after the hunt.

If my pup refuses breakfast the morning of the hunt because she saw us packing, I take breakfast with us and feed her after we are done hunting so we don't wait for the evening meal.

No need to put weight on him, I prefer my dogs at fighting weight at all times - just don't let him lose any during the hunt if possible.
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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Doc E » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:32 pm

Coveyrise64 wrote:
Doc E wrote:.....I wouldn't even give my worst enemy's dog this crap.


Thanks....I'll take this up with my vet. Is there any thing else I should have him call you about?

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Are you telling me that your Vet recommended that you use this chemical slop ?

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby Doc E » Thu Jan 01, 2015 12:34 pm

missikiwi

From my post above : "I'll be very interested in their (our resident Vets) "take" on Dr Tim's suggestion of corn oil."

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Re: I'd like to put some weight on my dog...

Postby orhunter » Thu Jan 01, 2015 2:28 pm

Ducjdog: "I don't feed before a hunt."

Great, but a dog needs a consistent feeding schedule. Can't suddenly double the evening meal the night before a hunt and skip the morning meal. That's gotta be tough on the dog.
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