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Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby TXThor3113 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:58 am

Hey guys I have a 9 month old GSP who is showing some lameness in his back left hind leg.

Yesterday we went on a 30 minute mountain bike ride like we normally do about 2 times a week. He was fine after the ride and we got home and I fed him and put him in his kennel, but I took him out about 2 hrs later and he wouldn't put hardly any weight on his leg after that. So I carried him out to go to the restroom and then back to the kennel he went. fast forward to this morning and he is putting more weight on the leg but I can tell that its still not 100% but he shows no pain in it when I feel around on it or push on it or move it so again I carried him out to go to the restroom and put him back in his kennel. I am hoping by this afternoon when I let him out it will be back to normal but I am wondering if anyone else has ever seen this problem or if they have any ideas what could of triggered it. This is my first high energy hunting dog and I am just hoping that I haven't some how over worked him and caused a problem in his hip or growth plates or worse, both his parents are certified OFA Excellent so I don't think it could be a Hip Dysplasia problem.

Please let me know your thoughts as I am pretty worried about him with it being my first hunting dog and everything!!!
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby blue04 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:16 am

This could be anything from simple soreness from having stepped on something the wrong way to pano, ACL injury, etc., etc., etc. I wouldn't freak out about it at all unless it goes on for more than a couple of days, gets significantly worse instead of better, or resolves then repeats after another exercise session. In those cases, I'd be headed to the vet. I also might just call the vet and see if they have any suggestions. In some cases, a couple of days of mild anti-inflamatory medication (think a k-9 version of Ibuprofen) and rest might be the best approach. Ask your vet.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby TXThor3113 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 11:21 am

Thank you for the response. I talked with my vet a little after I posted and they said since it seemed to get better and not worse after a nights rest to just watch it and keep movement and play to a minimum for the next day or so just to be cautious and that if it gets worse to bring him in. It just sucks to have to kennel him because he is so high strung and ready to go no matter what.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby davshic » Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:40 pm

There is a long story here, so I'll try to abbreviate. My oldest draht started showing the same symptoms during the 2012/13 hunting season.That following spring, she would be fine most of the time, but occasionally after exercise, she would come up lame. She would run a 30 minute gun dog trial and seem to be just fine. But, after spending a while in her kennel, she would be lame. My vet said it was arthritis and gave her pain meds. She would seem fine for a while, but then the problem would come back. She was examined three different vets. They x-rayed her hips and back and everything looked fine. They all said the same thing - arthritis. I tried acupuncture but that didn't seem to help. Finally, they put her on a constant regime of drugs and she got through a hard summer of training without any obvious issues. I though we were home free. Then at the 2014 NAVHDA Invitational, she did her field work first brace of the morning. Everything seemed fine, but when I took her out of her kennel for the first of her water tests, she was limping on three legs. She seemed to get better with movement, so I was still thinking arthritis. She successfully completed the test (though I am sure that she was in pain). Shortly after, I read an article in NAVHDA's magazine about ACL (CCL) injuries and the symptoms were the same. I went to my vet and demanded to know if this was really arthritis or a soft tissue problem. He couldn't tell me, so he referred me to an specialist. The specialist examined her and concluded that she had a partial ACL tear despite the fact that she did not exhibit the classical symptom (drawer movement). He said she would continue to tear it until it was completely torn without surgery. After researching the procedure and seeing how invasive was, I went for second opinions. Two more specialist and the same diagnosis. Still I feared the surgery, so I tried a more conservative approach (physical therapy) for eight weeks. She did not get better and the frequency of the episodes increased. Now she comes up lame after any extended running; the rest of the time she is pretty normal except that twice in the last week, she has been sleeping and when she got up she yelped and limped. I am still not 100% sure that it is an ACL problem, but the only way to know for sure is surgery. So, I have her scheduled for February 7th. If it is the ACL, it will be about an eight month recuperation. I'm scared to death. One of my biggest concerns is how much arthritis may have developed since she has been running on this for over a year.

The reason I am telling you this is not to scare you or to imply that I think your dog's problem is an ACL. But, from my research, torn ACLs in dogs are much more common than I would have ever expected. And, apparently, they are not always that easy to diagnose. There are some websites on the INTERNET that discuss conservative treatments for ACL injuries; you might to consider those because even if it is not an ACL, the rest would probably help with whatever the problem is. On the other hand, if the problem persists, see a specialist right away. Don't wait as long as I did. The biggest risks, if it is the ACL, are: arthritis developing in the joint; blowing out the torn ACL if it is only partially torn; or, worst of all, tearing the ACL in the other leg because the dog will favor the uninjured leg. These dogs are incredibly tolerant of pain. Mine would go hunt right now in a heart beat despite whatever her problem is. You just can't tell how bad something is bothering them until its too late. Hope this helps and Good Luck!
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Shannon » Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:17 pm

What was the outcome of the surgery?
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby CohanseyDD » Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:52 pm

I'm a little late coming into this discussion, but have experienced the same symptoms with my 2 year old DD. It has been occurring for about a year and always happens after VERY strenuous training. After many examinations, treatments and tests, I've determined she is experiencing "Charlie horses" or muscle cramps in her hind legs. There is no tear in either a muscle or tendon and the knee is stable. The symptoms last from a few hours to day or two at most. No weight bearing on the rear leg until it's gone, then she resumes her 100 mile per hour pace again! One of the things that triggered me to this was that she frequently stretched her rear leg back behind her trying to get some relief.

My suggestion is to exercise your dog strenuously and immediately take it to the vet for a blood test. Ask him to check for anything out of balance, most likely potassium or calcium.

Good luck.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby orhunter » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:04 pm

I see mention of K-9 version of Ibuprofen. I don't thing there and "safe" version of Ibuprofen for dogs. It's bad stuff. If a person feels the need to medicate for mild pain, use Aspirin, 50 mg per 10 lbs.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Smilin Jack » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:33 pm

orhunter , Have you heard of Ascripton being used . It is a Malox coated aspirin . I have used this with my Labs , in small doses , and it seems to help .
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby orhunter » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:14 pm

Yea, I've heard of it but nothing more.

The coated Aspirin thing is a myth. Aspirin while in the stomach doesn't do much if anything adverse to the stomach. Yea, I asked a real Dr. about this. The reported stomach bleeding and other adverse reactions occurs when the aspirin is in the blood stream and not in the stomach. Aspirin isn't supposed to be given/taken on an empty stomach, not even for humans. A bit of food is all the precaution necessary. No need for special expensive coated products. Sales gimmick.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:18 pm

Aspirin is a non-selective pain medication, and can cause problems with platelets and causes significantly higher rates of gastric ulceration, one study showed ulceration in 100% of dogs. DO NOT give aspirin. There are much better, safer drugs available through your veterinarian.

The gastroduodenal effects of buffered aspirin, carprofen, and etodolac in healthy dogs
J Vet Intern Med. 1999 Sep-Oct;13(5):472-7.
M E Reimer1; S A Johnston; M S Leib; R B Duncan, Jr; D C Reimer; M Marini; K Gimbert
1Department of Small Animal Clinical Sciences, Virginia-Maryland Regional College of Veterinary Medicine, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, Blacksburg 24061, USA.
Article Abstract

Twenty-four healthy mixed-breed dogs were divided into 4 groups. Group 1 received a placebo p.o. q12h, group 2 received an average of 16.5 (15.1-17.8 ) mg/kg buffered aspirin po. q12h, group 3 received an average of 2.2 (2.0-2.4) mg/kg carprofen p.o. q12h, and group 4 received an average of 12.8 (11.7-13.8 ) mg/kg etodolac po. q24h (with a placebo in the PM). All treatments continued for 28 consecutive days. Gastroduodenal endoscopy was performed on days -9, 0, 5, 14, and 28. Multiple gastric biopsies were obtained endoscopically on day -9 to determine each dog's Helicobacter infection status. Four regions in the stomach and 1 region in the proximal duodenum were evaluated endoscopically, and each was assigned a score from 1 to 11. Scores for each region then were summed to give a total score for each endoscopic evaluation. Erosions and submucosal hemorrhages were seen in all dogs receiving aspirin. Only minor gastric lesions were observed in the carprofen, etodolac, and control groups. No adverse clinical signs were noted in any dog given any treatment. Median total score on days 0, 5, 14, and 28, respectively, were as follows: group 1: 5.0, 5.0, 5.0, 5.0; group 2: 5.0, 27.0, 26.0, 27.5; group 3: 5.0, 5.0, 6.0, 5.0, group 4: 5.0, 7.0, 5.0, 5.0. There was no significant difference among dogs receiving carprofen, etodolac, or placebo. The administration of carprofen, etodolac, or placebo to healthy dogs resulted in significantly less gastroduodenal lesion development than in dogs receiving buffered aspirin.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby orhunter » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:37 pm

MissK:

Agree, there are far better things to give our dogs than Aspirin. Quick, before you can get to the vet application only, or known short term use, a couple of doses, maybe a couple of days, no more.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 4:52 pm

TWO days of aspirin use can result in GI ulceration. It also causes changes to the stomach lining due to prostaglandin inhibition that prevents safe use of other NSAIDs for a minimum of 7 days, even after just a couple doses.

Aspirin is never safe. Only in extreme cases will I prescribe another NSAID without a washout period, and only with other gastric protective medications to be used concurrently.
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:15 pm

orhunter wrote:Yea, I've heard of it but nothing more.

The coated Aspirin thing is a myth. Aspirin while in the stomach doesn't do much if anything adverse to the stomach. Yea, I asked a real Dr. about this. The reported stomach bleeding and other adverse reactions occurs when the aspirin is in the blood stream and not in the stomach. Aspirin isn't supposed to be given/taken on an empty stomach, not even for humans. A bit of food is all the precaution necessary. No need for special expensive coated products. Sales gimmick.


Dogs are not people. There is significant injury to the stomach wall to DOGS by the aspirin while in the stomach, so both the systemic and local effects are important with dogs. While this may be true in people (I have no idea) its not true for dogs. Buffered aspirin is better, but still not safe enough in my opinion. Enteric coated aspirin will actually stick to the stomach wall and can accumulate and cause death from overdose when the clump of aspirin tablets finally passes into the intestines for absorption...
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Re: Hind leg lameness after exercise

Postby Misskiwi67 » Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:16 pm

Sorry to get so off topic - my first thought would be a partial ACL tear. I'd recommend 2 weeks restricted activity and then a visit to a vet capable of a thorough orthopedic examination if its not better.
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