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Bill West/ Bill Gibbons training dvds - Best dvd for the $$?

Postby Ben Franklin » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:36 pm

There are lots of posts on various forums that indicate many have used the Bill West silent approach to training and really like it. Training tapes and dvds of this method seem to be few and are not clearly advertised.

Thus far, I have become aware of the Bill West Bird Dog Training DVD, Teaching Labs to Point offerred on http://sales.uplandbirddog.com/ for $34.95 + $7.50 S&H.

Also, just found one other source, Brad Higgins" <hig@vfr.net, that is offering "three DVD's taped at the West/Gibbons 3 day seminar April 29 through May 1, 2005. These DVD's include the entire seminar, a total of 8 hours. These DVD's are uncut and unedited. The first one is about 1 1/2 hours long and includes the force fetch session. The second and third DVD's are sold as a set and include the rest of the seminar (6 1/2 hours)" Price of the force fetch dvd is $49.95 + $4.50 S&H. The two dvd set of the rest of the seminar is priced at $79.95 + $4.50 S&H.

Are there any more dvds on the subject? If so, where are they available?

Since these training resources are somewhat pricey, I would appreciate feedback from those of you familiar with the products. Is the less expensive Teaching Labs To Point dvd comprehensive enough? Is the content of the seminar dvds that much more extensive? What would be the best investment?

Is the West force fetch method much different from the typical methods?

Any feedback on this will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Postby V-John » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:01 am

I wish that someone else would reply here, because I'm watching this thread as I have basically the same questions here as Mr Franklin!
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Postby volraider » Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:33 am

the training seminar is the best tape I have seen and the money is not bad when you consider it's 6 hours of training instructions.

The West method is simple and easy to use plus it works on any dog. I have a GSP trained by this method and will train my new pup the same way.
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Postby anne » Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:01 pm

I have the DVDs from Brad Higgins and like that the entire seminar is available for viewing. That said, I haven't watched a lot of other training tapes so have nothing to compare it to. I was only recently turned on to the West/Gibbons method and it makes a lot of sense to me. I have also met and trained with Gibbons and sent a dog to him last summer. I am sold on the method.
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Postby small munsterlander » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:04 am

Ben: The newer DVD set from Brad is much more comprehensive that the original video "Teaching Labs to Point". The later is a good beginning but is best not confused with Lab training. Bill basically was wishing to make a "point" that almost any dog could be taught to point. So he used the Lab as a model.

As was suggested the West/Gibbons method is quite simple, uses few training tools and has it's own strong following with a site devoted to discussing the method. I have been using the method for over 15 years on a few dozen of my own dogs and find it logical, low pressure, learnable and very successful for the hunter, tester and trialer. Bill :D
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Postby terryg » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:03 am

well you're talking about a little over a c-note for both. what's the hold up? dog training too expensive for ya :roll:

really folks. i've got prolly more than $5000 in seminars, books, video, dvd, and have learned from all of them, even if it is what NOT to do!

dogs cost money. both of these are less than one vet vist. part of the game. that's why some of us are very successful and some wish they were.

some of us saw the c-note(and a lot more) as an investment rather than an expediture. :wink:

ask yourself what a well trained dog is worth to you and go from there :lol:
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Postby Bill Williams » Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:07 pm

I agree with Terry -- the price of the pup is the cheap part.
It takes alot of money to make the first inital investment required to train a dog. It's hard to do it on a limited budget, research wisley!
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